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2021-03-06 17:30:01 <geekosaur> you'd have to use runX which requires you to give it an XConf and XState, in which case you wouldn't need to get theRoot back out
2021-03-06 17:30:24 <geekosaur> generally you put debugging type stuff in your config somewhere and mod-q
2021-03-06 17:31:23 <geekosaur> https://github.com/geekosaur/xmonad.hs/blob/pyanfar/xmonad.hs#L213
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2021-03-06 17:34:47 <geekosaur> the `showHex`es are technically unnecessary but match how X11 debugging commands do things by default
2021-03-06 17:36:43 <Guest78> so root window is id 0x
2021-03-06 17:36:46 <Guest78> ?
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2021-03-06 17:38:27 <geekosaur> it's 0x142 currently for me. that looks like you lost some output somewhere
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2021-03-06 17:43:10 <koz_> I just read the 2000 fundeps paper and it's a really nice read.
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2021-03-06 17:54:11 <topos> Ericson2314: finally coming around to the idea that you were write about inverse semigroups being a great model for the one problem
2021-03-06 17:54:17 <topos> *right
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2021-03-06 17:58:50 <Guest78> geekosaur in your config you have shift space xmodmap, what does it do?
2021-03-06 18:00:37 <geekosaur> I tend to be lazy about letting go of shift, and shift-space normally does nothing, so I rebind it to space. also whatever bug that was working around has been fixed (I presume it was something in an early mate release)
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2021-03-06 18:01:54 <Ericson2314> Topos wait, which problem?
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2021-03-06 18:02:41 <geekosaur> my setup is somewhat unusual in that I run xmonad as mate's window manager instead of standalone
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2021-03-06 18:03:55 Lycurgus runs xmonad under vnc, and fvwm in one of the screen groups so I can connect to it remotely
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2021-03-06 18:04:43 <Lycurgus> actually that's wrong, I use xmonad as the window manager and connect to vnc in one of the xmonad groups
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2021-03-06 18:06:02 <Lycurgus> i.e on this the main home box, other boxes i just use unity
2021-03-06 18:06:33 <Lycurgus> and can switch to unity or wayland stuff wherever
2021-03-06 18:07:00 <topos> Ericson2314: finding a decent abstraction for things which have inverses at indices
2021-03-06 18:07:15 <Lycurgus> i found some time ago xmonad was the most reliable wm
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2021-03-06 18:15:35 <Lycurgus> i wonder if leksah is worth rechecking, seems to require nix now though
2021-03-06 18:17:09 <Lycurgus> maybe after 9.2 and if they go with stack which is likely the end solution to their woes, the reason they went with nix
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2021-03-06 18:21:21 <Guest78> geekosaur I use xmonad that way too!
2021-03-06 18:21:44 <Guest78> in place of MATE's wm
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2021-03-06 18:25:41 <Guest78> I would like to be able to use mate menu instead of mate run
2021-03-06 18:26:08 <Guest78> but I cannot find a way to spawn it
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2021-03-06 18:27:09 <geekosaur> mate menu is normally an applet in the panel
2021-03-06 18:27:31 <Guest78> I am using xdotool at the moment to "click" on it
2021-03-06 18:27:37 <Guest78> yes
2021-03-06 18:27:38 <geekosaur> I don't think there's a way to pop up the menu aside from letting it grab a key itself, or using the panel menu
2021-03-06 18:28:57 <Guest78> please have a look at https://github.com/bsnux/xmonad-config/blob/master/mate/xmonad.hs
2021-03-06 18:29:00 <Guest78> line 32
2021-03-06 18:29:58 <geekosaur> so you're doing tis manually? pretty sure XMonad.Config.Mate does most of this for you
2021-03-06 18:31:22 <Guest78> no this is what mateRun does actually
2021-03-06 18:31:33 <geekosaur> yes
2021-03-06 18:32:28 <Guest78> it made me think it can be used to action mate menu somehow
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2021-03-06 18:33:20 <geekosaur> sadly no, mateMenu is its own thing
2021-03-06 18:33:34 <Guest78> ok
2021-03-06 18:33:35 <geekosaur> there miht be a dbus endpoint for it or something

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