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2020-11-11 10:40:01 <bqv> Thats the only viable route for a haskell shell at this point
2020-11-11 10:40:20 <bqv> And since he has a shell.nix I assume its that
2020-11-11 10:40:21 <dminuoso> Dunno, Im quite happy with `nix-shell -p cabal-install haskell-language-server`
2020-11-11 10:40:31 <dminuoso> No, they are using this ^-
2020-11-11 10:40:34 <dminuoso> As am I
2020-11-11 10:40:36 <bqv> Oh, ok
2020-11-11 10:40:49 <dminuoso> (well I have a slightly more elaborate shell.nix)
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2020-11-11 10:42:00 <bqv> I only keep using nix because it's way easier to maintain modified dependency packages via nix, than via cabal, tbh
2020-11-11 10:42:25 <bqv> But that means installing in a v1-sandbox
2020-11-11 10:42:32 <dminuoso> v1?
2020-11-11 10:42:38 <bqv> Need sandbox
2020-11-11 10:42:38 <dminuoso> nix does not use cabal-install
2020-11-11 10:43:12 <dminuoso> in fact, sandboxes are long gone I think?
2020-11-11 10:43:24 <bqv> shellFor, install in v1-sandbox to pin deps to nix version, then v1-build outside nix continues to use them
2020-11-11 10:43:29 <dminuoso> ah
2020-11-11 10:43:30 hackage update-nix-fetchgit 0.2.4 - A program to update fetchgit values in Nix expressions https://hackage.haskell.org/package/update-nix-fetchgit-0.2.4 (jophish)
2020-11-11 10:43:34 <dminuoso> I see
2020-11-11 10:44:37 <bqv> Might be able to achieve the same with a freezefile or something, idk
2020-11-11 10:44:47 <bqv> Sandbox was just easier
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2020-11-11 10:46:13 <dminuoso> well, why sandbox at all?
2020-11-11 10:46:28 <dminuoso> I mean shellFor *does* effectively give you a sandbox
2020-11-11 10:46:47 <dminuoso> Id have to look at the implementation, but Id assume it just registers the nix versions with ghc-pkg
2020-11-11 10:46:53 <dminuoso> Such that you can just say `ghci`
2020-11-11 10:47:08 <bqv> oh, there was a reason…
2020-11-11 10:47:08 <dminuoso> Potentially even `cabal v2-repl` or `cabal v2-build
2020-11-11 10:47:39 <bqv> I can't remember now, but there was something that didn't work with that
2020-11-11 10:47:45 <bqv> Oh!
2020-11-11 10:47:51 <bqv> It was the libraries
2020-11-11 10:47:56 <bqv> Native libs
2020-11-11 10:48:01 <bqv> Something was funky
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2020-11-11 10:48:53 <bqv> Or was it cpphs
2020-11-11 10:49:03 <bqv> Cpphs wasn't finding anything
2020-11-11 10:49:32 <bqv> I dunno. In the end, taking nix at least partially out the picture made it all simpler
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2020-11-11 10:52:27 <asheshambasta> dminuoso: yeah, this kind of makes sense, and I've been lazy with version constraints.
2020-11-11 10:57:00 <dminuoso> Perhaps, cabal should receive commands to manage dependencies. That way, you could say `cabal add-depends-on=foo some-component`, and if no constraints are supplied, cabal could just pin it on whatever fits in the build plan.
2020-11-11 10:57:44 <dminuoso> this style of "add dependencies now and constraints later" always backfires
2020-11-11 10:57:46 <dminuoso> :p
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2020-11-11 11:11:17 <asheshambasta> dminuoso: yeah, and its something I still struggle with. A large part of it is also just being lazy.
2020-11-11 11:11:34 <asheshambasta> I have to get around to doing it more.
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2020-11-11 11:28:28 <maerwald> PVP and semver only work with good tooling and CI
2020-11-11 11:28:58 <maerwald> e.g. https://dependabot.com/rust/
2020-11-11 11:29:46 <merijn> I just set the bound to ^>= the latest release whenever I add a dependency
2020-11-11 11:30:38 <merijn> maerwald: https://github.com/haskell-CI/hackage-matrix-builder/issues/72 https://github.com/haskell-CI/hackage-matrix-builder/issues/77
2020-11-11 11:31:04 <merijn> The matrix builder is already pretty good, but it needs better notification tooling
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2020-11-11 11:31:19 <maerwald> dependabot does a bit more
2020-11-11 11:31:57 <maerwald> generally, dependency bounds are unmaintained, except for popular packages like aeson
2020-11-11 11:32:16 <merijn> dependabot probably also has more engineering manpower :p
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2020-11-11 11:41:27 <maerwald> merijn: do you know if the cabal file format has a formal grammar?
2020-11-11 11:41:55 <merijn> maerwald: https://cabal.readthedocs.io/en/latest/buildinfo-fields-reference.html ?
2020-11-11 11:42:17 <merijn> So, "mostly"
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2020-11-11 11:45:18 <maerwald> https://github.com/dependabot/dependabot-core/issues/2745
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