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2020-09-26 07:27:24 <dsal> I don't know what APIs are available, or how structured that might be. Making APIs for stuff like that isn't typically that hard if you have some idea what you're trying to accomplish.
2020-09-26 07:28:26 <dsal> Oh man, I just got the notification about sprinkler schedule for the day. I guess I should kill that software since I've removed all the hardware. :(
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2020-09-26 07:30:54 <fraktor> Does anyone have good resources on Monad Transformers? I really don't understand them that well
2020-09-26 07:32:19 <dsal> There's really not that much. Mostly, you just have IO and then you wrap a ReaderT around it so you can have an implicit variable passed around. Sometimes you throw in a MonadLogger or whatever and you `lift` to the next transformer up the stack.
2020-09-26 07:32:35 <c_wraith> :t lift
2020-09-26 07:32:37 <lambdabot> (MonadTrans t, Monad m) => m a -> t m a
2020-09-26 07:32:43 <c_wraith> that's really all you need to know :)
2020-09-26 07:32:51 <dsal> The only thing that's kind of hard is starting all the runXT things and then lift.
2020-09-26 07:32:59 <dsal> And usually you probably just need liftIO :)
2020-09-26 07:33:24 <c_wraith> honestly, I internalized monad transformers before monads. They don't involve nearly as complex of topics.
2020-09-26 07:33:28 <fraktor> ReaderT seems super useful but it's hard to understand
2020-09-26 07:34:21 <dsal> It's hard to understand because it sounds dumb. In practice, it just means you have a variable that's implicit.
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2020-09-26 07:35:23 <dsal> fraktor: This is a "I went too hard after a bunch of time" example, but: https://github.com/dustin/gopro/blob/master/src/GoPro/Commands.hs#L46-L61
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2020-09-26 07:37:31 <dsal> Anything in GoPro knows its API credentials, DB location, argv, etc... So the aforementioned `fixup` command just has to do this: https://github.com/dustin/gopro/blob/master/src/GoPro/Commands/Fixup.hs#L19
2020-09-26 07:38:40 <dsal> Yeah, I should really have found something easier... this also pulls the whole environment to rewrap it in a database environment. Related: monads don't always compose well.
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2020-09-26 07:42:25 <dsal> fraktor: Just try throwing a ReaderT at something where you're passing a bunch of junk around and see if you can make things easier.
2020-09-26 07:42:44 dsal needs to stop trying to be awake
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2020-09-26 07:45:20 <fraktor> dsal: honestly same. I've had too much wine and too little sleep to learn rn
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2020-09-26 07:45:56 <MarcelineVQ> while drinking wine is exactly the time to be a wizard
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