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2021-04-11 20:39:20 <monochrom> I'm done with letting solvr waste our time every few days with their "haskell should be more mutable" drivel.
2021-04-11 20:39:47 <monochrom> Next time it will be a ban.
2021-04-11 20:40:48 <maerwald> oh, was it supposed to be a troll attempt?
2021-04-11 20:41:23 <monochrom> I can't tell the difference between trolling and lunacy.
2021-04-11 20:41:42 <monochrom> But it's drivel either way.
2021-04-11 20:42:05 <monochrom> And it's repeating offence.
2021-04-11 20:42:13 <monochrom> s/repeating/repeated/
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2021-04-11 20:43:11 <maerwald> Popularity is a double edged sword anyway... too much and you have too many mediocre maintainers, too little and you have no ecosystem.
2021-04-11 20:43:35 <monochrom> Repeated offenders and lenient liberals alike complain about my bans because they don't have state to remember that I don't ban until I see repeaated offense.
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2021-04-11 20:44:08 <monochrom> Oh popularity is just their newest excuse.
2021-04-11 20:44:45 <monochrom> Previously they cited other excuses to demand mutability such as "interface boundary" and "data structure efficiency".
2021-04-11 20:45:46 <monochrom> and ""Functional programming is to turn on the light, you need to rebuild your house"
2021-04-11 20:46:27 <monochrom> and http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/haskell/21.04.06 search for <solvr>
2021-04-11 20:46:54 <maerwald> haha
2021-04-11 20:47:01 <maerwald> that's a good one
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2021-04-11 20:48:42 <maerwald> maybe it's sophisticated critique about the lack of modular and composable effects systems
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2021-04-11 20:49:22 <maerwald> well, or not...
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2021-04-11 20:51:51 <monochrom> I once saw a genuinely sophisticated critique. It was from one of the Oz people IIRC. I say that it is genuinely sophisticated because it included a convincing, concrete example.
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2021-04-11 20:53:14 <monochrom> The difference between genuine sophisticated critique and lunacy is that the lunatic one just keeps talking and keeps talking bigger and bigger.
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2021-04-11 20:53:43 <monochrom> Equivalently if it's indistinguishable from a Markov-Mealy machine then it's lunacy.
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2021-04-11 20:53:53 <monochrom> i.e., armchair philosopher
2021-04-11 20:53:58 <maerwald> I didn't find it disruptive until now, but I only noticed them today
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2021-04-11 20:57:44 <d34df00d> hololeap: oh, right.
2021-04-11 20:57:55 <d34df00d> Commuting monads is hard! Let me try to internalize that.
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2021-04-11 21:05:15 <m_miro> Excuse me, is it possible to have a data type that contains a definition like:
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2021-04-11 21:05:18 <m_miro> data Custom = Custom Custom | Something
2021-04-11 21:05:40 <m_miro> and then have a variable  like:
2021-04-11 21:05:57 <m_miro> myVariable = Something Something?
2021-04-11 21:06:21 <dcbdan> Do you mean myVariable = Custom Something ?
2021-04-11 21:06:49 <dcbdan> Something Something does not work, because the Something constructor is just of type Custom
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2021-04-11 21:07:10 <m_miro> Oh I see
2021-04-11 21:07:24 <monochrom> Perhaps please don't use the same "Custom" name for two unrelated things.
2021-04-11 21:07:58 <maerwald> data Custom = MkCustom Custom | MkSomething
2021-04-11 21:08:10 <dcbdan> ^one 'Custom' is a constructor, the other is a type
2021-04-11 21:08:16 <m_miro> So if I wanted Something Something I'd have to define Something as Custom?

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