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2020-10-01 08:38:08 <kindaro> Maybe trying to be compatible with NTFS or something?
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2020-10-01 08:38:56 <tomsmeding> windows certainly likes to mark stuff executable, but I'd hope it hardly _needs_ them to be?
2020-10-01 08:39:14 <tomsmeding> also then why aren't the source files executable, only the extra-source-files
2020-10-01 08:39:31 <tomsmeding> and not the LICENSE file
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2020-10-01 08:40:24 <kindaro> Yep, that does not align.
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2020-10-01 08:42:19 <[exa]> windows' executable bit is the "safe default" if reading the filesystem on a reasonable platform
2020-10-01 08:42:30 <[exa]> hopefully nothing to do with this
2020-10-01 08:43:01 <[exa]> btw isn't that just my issue? A perfectly empty cabal project from `cabal init` does that for me here.
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2020-10-01 08:43:17 <tomsmeding> oh, you mean that windows has no concept of an x bit, so it just gets set by whatever code does the translation to unix world?
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2020-10-01 08:43:56 <dminuoso> [exa]: File a bug report?
2020-10-01 08:44:23 <[exa]> tomsmeding: AFAIK that was the original reason when they wrote the fat16/32 drivers
2020-10-01 08:44:49 <tomsmeding> because I've seen x bits set also in e.g. zip files that I receive from windows users
2020-10-01 08:45:09 <[exa]> interesting
2020-10-01 08:45:22 <[exa]> perhaps it became a convention like \r\n :]
2020-10-01 08:45:42 <[exa]> but certainly that has nothing in common with CHANGELOG +x
2020-10-01 08:45:57 <[exa]> s/certainly/hopefully/
2020-10-01 08:46:02 <dminuoso> [exa]: And your question of 1Gsec is answered in the source code
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2020-10-01 08:46:19 <tomsmeding> https://github.com/haskell/cabal/blob/master/cabal-install/src/Distribution/Client/SrcDist.hs#L87
2020-10-01 08:46:21 <tomsmeding> indeed it is
2020-10-01 08:47:21 <dminuoso> It seems rather hacky though. It should rather adjust the proper mod time to have 1980 as a minimum.
2020-10-01 08:47:28 <dminuoso> As opposed to fixed at 1Gsec
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2020-10-01 08:47:43 <tomsmeding> in particular, the modification time is set to a constant value for reproducibility
2020-10-01 08:48:22 <dminuoso> I dont know about reproducibility here, the rationale seems to be just windows.
2020-10-01 08:48:31 <dminuoso> https://github.com/haskell/cabal/issues/5596
2020-10-01 08:49:02 <tomsmeding> well one of the comments quotes: > These archives are stable and two archives of the same format built from the same source will hash to the same value.
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2020-10-01 08:49:25 <dminuoso> Mmm
2020-10-01 08:49:30 → merijn joins (~merijn@83-160-49-249.ip.xs4all.nl)
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2020-10-01 08:50:02 <tomsmeding> https://cabal.readthedocs.io/en/3.4/cabal-commands.html#cabal-v2-sdist
2020-10-01 08:50:30 <[exa]> wow, thanks a lot
2020-10-01 08:50:41 <dminuoso> The executable bit is weird though
2020-10-01 08:50:54 <dminuoso> Can't immediately find the cause for it in the cabal sources
2020-10-01 08:51:52 <[exa]> it might be the same "safety" as with the filesystems, "what if someone will try to execute a file in a package that was build on windows"
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2020-10-01 08:53:16 <tomsmeding> https://github.com/haskell/cabal/search?q=entryPermissions that is suggestive
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2020-10-01 08:54:28 <tomsmeding> https://github.com/haskell/cabal/issues/5813
2020-10-01 08:55:17 <tomsmeding> hmm, perhaps this was changed in cabal HEAD or something?
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2020-10-01 08:55:31 <dminuoso> Indeed
2020-10-01 08:55:37 <dminuoso> 3.4/2.4.1.0 will have the fix
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2020-10-01 08:55:41 <dminuoso> [exa]: ^-
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2020-10-01 08:55:49 <dminuoso> Good find, tomsmeding.
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2020-10-01 08:56:36 <[exa]> wow cool
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2020-10-01 08:58:03 <dminuoso> "How to make other people dig through source code and github. Just ask in #haskell"
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2020-10-01 08:59:03 <tomsmeding> also thanks to whoever works on cabal, all the explicit imports are hugely helpful in navigating the source in a pinch :p
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