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2020-11-12 13:01:31 hackage vulkan-utils 0.1.3 - Utils for the vulkan package https://hackage.haskell.org/package/vulkan-utils-0.1.3 (jophish)
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2020-11-12 13:07:11 <xerox_> will ghc run on the arm macs straight away?
2020-11-12 13:08:04 <merijn> Who knows
2020-11-12 13:08:18 <jophish> do the GHC team have one of the dev boxeS?
2020-11-12 13:08:26 <merijn> Probably not
2020-11-12 13:08:50 <merijn> ARM has tier 2 support, currently, iirc
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2020-11-12 13:10:14 <merijn> So the answer to "will GHC run on ARM macs?" is "that depends how much effort you will contribute to that cause" ;)
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2020-11-12 13:11:41 <merijn> I know angerman is doing a lot of stuff w.r.t Aarch64 support in GHC
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2020-11-12 13:12:38 <angerman> xerox_: yes; jophish: yes, I have a DTK on my desk.
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2020-11-12 13:13:10 <angerman> xerox_: you can use rosetta2, ghc works well enough to build a native ghc.
2020-11-12 13:13:47 <angerman> here's a fully native, GHC-9.1 with an arm64 NCG: https://dl.dropbox.com/s/jskw2pjpkhquj4g/ghc-9.1.0.20201110-aarch64-apple-darwin.tar.xz
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2020-11-12 13:14:16 <jophish> I wonder how the code signing thing is going to impact nixos
2020-11-12 13:14:21 <angerman> We'll likely need a bit of time to get this (a) merged into master, (b) backported into 9.0 and maybe earlier.
2020-11-12 13:14:51 <angerman> jophish: it's ok. thefloweringash and I did test, and manage to produce identical binaries. However "nixos" and darwin don't mix well :p
2020-11-12 13:15:00 hackage apecs-stm 0.1.4 - STM stores for apecs https://hackage.haskell.org/package/apecs-stm-0.1.4 (jonascarpay)
2020-11-12 13:15:03 <angerman> darwin + nixpkgs, will need some more work, but we'll get there.
2020-11-12 13:15:24 <jophish> I guess you had to share a key?
2020-11-12 13:15:38 <angerman> no. adhoc signatures don't need keeys.
2020-11-12 13:15:53 <jophish> oh, so they always use the same key
2020-11-12 13:16:15 <angerman> it's just some integrity hash.
2020-11-12 13:16:20 <jophish> right
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2020-11-12 13:16:40 <angerman> I think thefloweringhash did provide some more details in the nixpkgs comments on the issue.
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2020-11-12 13:17:04 <angerman> if you want to use GHC or nix right away on an arm64 mac, maybe hold off for at least a month.
2020-11-12 13:17:13 <angerman> it's possible, but it's going to be painful.
2020-11-12 13:17:24 <jophish> heh, I'm probably not getting a mac again any time soon
2020-11-12 13:17:35 <angerman> your loss :p
2020-11-12 13:17:48 <Uniaika> that being said there is Rosetta right?
2020-11-12 13:17:51 <angerman> apple sg doesn't seem to want to sell M1 mac minis :-/
2020-11-12 13:17:56 <jophish> used one for quite a while, but coming back to Linux was always such a relief ;)
2020-11-12 13:18:06 <jophish> also the keyboard suck :)
2020-11-12 13:18:15 <angerman> did I say mac mini?
2020-11-12 13:18:55 <jophish> ah, keyboard is probably similar then
2020-11-12 13:20:29 <angerman> macOS to me is a glorified desktop environment to run terminals that are connected to linux machines 🙊
2020-11-12 13:20:33 <xerox_> angerman: grand
2020-11-12 13:21:25 <jophish> s/1000$ facebook machine/1000$ ssh machine/
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2020-11-12 13:21:59 <xerox_> angerman: how long did it take to build?
2020-11-12 13:22:17 <angerman> xerox_: sorry can't comment on that. Once I get my hands on a proper m1 mac mini, I can.
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2020-11-12 13:22:31 <jophish> NDA?
2020-11-12 13:22:46 <angerman> DTKs come with limits.
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2020-11-12 13:23:11 <xerox_> ah ok
2020-11-12 13:23:17 <jophish> angerman: can you build me a ghc distribution starting now, upload it the second you are done
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2020-11-12 13:23:58 <angerman> lol.
2020-11-12 13:24:17 <angerman> I'll just say this much: you can develop on ghc on apple arm machines :-)
2020-11-12 13:24:34 <angerman> without wanting to jump out of the window.
2020-11-12 13:24:40 <xerox_> I'm just hoping to develop *with* ghc, so that's good
2020-11-12 13:25:03 <angerman> well you've seen the early benchmarks I guess?
2020-11-12 13:25:11 <xerox_> nope!
2020-11-12 13:25:21 <angerman> most of your time developing in haskell is spent looking at the screen, not actually compiling software.
2020-11-12 13:25:25 <angerman> xerox_: macrumors.com
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2020-11-12 13:25:37 <xerox_> oh I thought you meant ghc specific benchmarks
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2020-11-12 13:29:46 <dminuoso> angerman: Oh dunno, that kind of depends on what project you're working on.
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