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2020-11-21 10:23:15 <jophish> siraben: thanks, next up actually tracing the rays against something other than the background :)
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2020-11-21 10:23:42 <jophish> although technically I'm not even generating any rays at the moment. but the blue is being generated by a shader in a ray tracing pipeline :)
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2020-11-21 10:29:05 <tomsmeding> 07:34:00 ski | ("is an Alternative" or "is Alternative" ?)
2020-11-21 10:29:16 <tomsmeding> I have some more alternatives for you: "implements Alternative" and "is an instance of Alternative"
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2020-11-21 10:42:18 <Orbstheorem> When pantry finds a git extra-dep in stack.yaml, where does it clone it to? Does it keep a copy of the repo or just compiles the lib and deletes it afterwards?
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2020-11-21 10:53:27 tomsmeding always uses his best friend `find` to find out where programs put things
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2020-11-21 11:17:31 <ziman> what's the recommended build system these days (preferably with a future perspective)? stack+hpack? cabal-install-v2?
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2020-11-21 11:18:54 Lycurgus recommends ur own judgment
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2020-11-21 11:20:34 <Franciman> ziman, it depends, the thing is that probably cabal is good enough
2020-11-21 11:21:10 <Franciman> so you wouldn't need the extra things stack gives to you (but also consider that sometimes you need some features not supported by stack, for example backpack)
2020-11-21 11:21:43 <Franciman> for me the most attractive thing of stack is stackage, i.e. a curated set of packages which somebody^{TM} guarantees that work well toghether
2020-11-21 11:21:44 <Franciman> together
2020-11-21 11:22:00 <Franciman> but you should probably consider your own judgment
2020-11-21 11:22:22 <Franciman> as Lycurgus said
2020-11-21 11:22:26 <xerox_> I like the stackage site to do hoogle searches, very clean
2020-11-21 11:23:17 <Franciman> soon^{TM} vabal will support stackage files (which are essentially cabal freeze files) and you will use them without stack
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2020-11-21 11:24:18 <ziman> thank you :)
2020-11-21 11:24:33 <Franciman> but since vabal is not really useful to anyone, I am considering first rewriting part of its logic in prolog
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2020-11-21 11:25:07 <ziman> i find it tricky to find sufficiently up-to-date information on the various build systems because the landscape keeps changing
2020-11-21 11:25:19 <Franciman> I understand
2020-11-21 11:25:36 <Franciman> my personal approach is: go with cabal until you find something incredibly wrong you can't fix
2020-11-21 11:25:42 <Franciman> and this has never happened to me lately
2020-11-21 11:25:51 <Franciman> especially after the v2-thing became the default behavior
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2020-11-21 11:26:08 <ziman> since i like "simple" things (as in fewest dependencies etc.), i'll go for cabal and see what happens
2020-11-21 11:26:18 <Franciman> yes that's my base motive too
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2020-11-21 11:26:33 <ziman> assuming that cabal is the "simplest" choice here
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2020-11-21 11:27:33 <Franciman> for me it is true
2020-11-21 11:28:11 <Franciman> anybody has their preferences, tho
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2020-11-21 11:33:12 <jophish> I use hpack+cabal
2020-11-21 11:33:41 <jophish> listing modules manually is work for a computer, not a human
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2020-11-21 11:33:49 <jophish> but cabal works much better with nix
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2020-11-21 11:36:55 <ski> tomsmeding : hm, yea. i guess i didn't want to change it too much
2020-11-21 11:37:33 <tomsmeding> ski: I wasn't entirely serious, I agree with your assessment :p
2020-11-21 11:38:22 <srk> 7/81
2020-11-21 11:38:30 srk oop
2020-11-21 11:38:31 <tomsmeding> > 7/81
2020-11-21 11:38:34 <lambdabot> 8.641975308641975e-2
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2020-11-21 11:58:21 <maerwald> jophish: cabal-fmt can automatically add modules
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