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2021-03-28 11:44:10 <romesrf> i figured my problem out some other way
2021-03-28 11:44:31 <romesrf> my question was far from good hahah, thank you curl, catMaybes was useful :)
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2021-03-28 11:52:47 <Uniaika> maralorn: got your message from the 26th, thanks for the heads-up :)
2021-03-28 11:52:47 <siers> ski, that sprunge.us ↑ is what I came up with. I was hoping this would theoretically give me faster code without branches if the code gets specialized
2021-03-28 11:53:36 <siers> ski, but it seems that I'll just use a ADT and have branches. I know that it will be very guessable for the branch prediction
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2021-03-28 12:12:22 <maerwald> Another problem with the abstract filepath proposal I discovered: there's no way to write a sensible total IsString instance, since String can contain e.g. NUL, which is disallowed on both windows and unix. Can that instance really ignore this?
2021-03-28 12:15:13 <Uniaika> IsString instance is a bad thing in this case
2021-03-28 12:15:20 <Uniaika> (I many cases actually)
2021-03-28 12:15:35 <Uniaika> koz_ has a nice alternative approach with quasi-quoters for ASCII text
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2021-03-28 12:32:24 <JusTrying> Learning Haskell and got an assignment to do. My execution always gets stuck on this bit: https://paste.tomsmeding.com/kDIv2Ior. I have evaluated the if statement separately and it works but not when its used to update the variable
2021-03-28 12:33:25 <mouseghost> wah?
2021-03-28 12:33:38 <mouseghost> haskell variables are immutable
2021-03-28 12:34:36 <JusTrying> I see, so I simply cannot update the variable once assigned a value
2021-03-28 12:34:40 <JusTrying> whats the best way around this
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2021-03-28 12:35:04 <L29Ah> nonono, haskell variables are mutable
2021-03-28 12:35:08 <mouseghost> oh D:?
2021-03-28 12:35:10 <mouseghost> ma bad ;w;
2021-03-28 12:35:11 <L29Ah> but that's a binding, not a variable
2021-03-28 12:35:14 <mouseghost> oh
2021-03-28 12:36:12 <JusTrying> is there any particular reason that bit of code would get stuck at exeuction?
2021-03-28 12:36:22 <JusTrying> if i comment it out, everything else works fine
2021-03-28 12:36:31 <L29Ah> the reason is that you made a recursion
2021-03-28 12:36:43 <L29Ah> as you refered the binding itself in its definition
2021-03-28 12:37:17 <JusTrying> hmm, so that causes it to evaluate all over again
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2021-03-28 12:37:52 <JusTrying> I learned that if statments have a separate scope so the best was to update variables is by using if statments for values
2021-03-28 12:38:13 <JusTrying> but how do I make it so the value is not changed if the if statements is not true
2021-03-28 12:39:04 <shad0w_> L29Ah: did you mean, immutable ?
2021-03-28 12:39:06 <L29Ah> just name your bindings uniquely so you don't accidentally reference itself
2021-03-28 12:39:17 <L29Ah> shad0w_: no
2021-03-28 12:39:25 <haskellstudent> ok I finally figured out the mistery. I have to run the program with +RTS --disable-delayed-os-memory-return AND manually call performGC to get the memory back https://paste.tomsmeding.com/gvZwDLa4
2021-03-28 12:39:33 <L29Ah> shad0w_: a variable in haskell is called IORef, just to confuse people :)
2021-03-28 12:40:00 <shad0w_> isn't IORef like a pointer ?
2021-03-28 12:40:00 <L29Ah> and in the language itself there are no variables
2021-03-28 12:40:30 <JusTrying> I will need to update variable based on if statements several times so having unique names would be a bit of a hassle
2021-03-28 12:40:35 <JusTrying> bindings I meant
2021-03-28 12:42:19 <L29Ah> JusTrying: on the other hand, if you do that, you won't have a same name for different values, so it won't confuse you
2021-03-28 12:43:26 <L29Ah> shad0w_: yeah
2021-03-28 12:43:53 <L29Ah> there's no variables that are passed by value by default
2021-03-28 12:44:05 <JusTrying> my assignment is to evaluate a poker hand, my current elixir implementation evaluates each case (straight, flush e.t.c) 1 by 1 and each time updating the variable
2021-03-28 12:44:08 <JusTrying> thats what I was trying to do
2021-03-28 12:44:15 <shad0w_> im sure i read somewhere haskell variables are immutable. and ghci treats them special to make it easy think they are mutable ?
2021-03-28 12:44:46 <L29Ah> > let a = 1 in let a = a in a
2021-03-28 12:44:48 <lambdabot> *Exception: <<loop>>
2021-03-28 12:45:02 <L29Ah> % let a = 1 in let a = a in a
2021-03-28 12:45:07 <yahb> L29Ah: [Timed out]
2021-03-28 12:45:17 <L29Ah> same in ghci
2021-03-28 12:45:58 <hpc> ghci is like a giant do block in that respect - when you define the same variable on multiple lines the most recent one shadows the older ones
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2021-03-28 12:58:10 <maerwald> Uniaika: yes, quasiquoters are a non-issue. But they don't solve the problem of user-input.
2021-03-28 12:58:39 <maerwald> I guess it's ok to provide a fromString that returns Maybe
2021-03-28 12:58:48 <maerwald> and for statically known thing refer ppl to quasiquoters
2021-03-28 12:59:14 <maerwald> I use them heavily myself, but they increase compile-time and break hasktags
2021-03-28 13:01:07 <Uniaika> I switched from hasktags some time ago
2021-03-28 13:01:18 <maerwald> to?
2021-03-28 13:01:18 <Uniaika> maerwald: ah okay, I thought the IsString instance was for user input
2021-03-28 13:01:30 <maerwald> it is for that and overloadedstrings
2021-03-28 13:01:36 <Uniaika> maerwald: I have fast-tags installed
2021-03-28 13:01:50 <maerwald> most ppl prefer OverloadedStrings over quasiquoters
2021-03-28 13:02:36 <Uniaika> maerwald: well, you need to make a choice between favouring what most people think they want, or have them use quasi-quoters and have them be safe
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2021-03-28 13:03:09 <maerwald> TH is a plague :) so you have the choice between that and a partial instance

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