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2020-11-06 07:35:35 <loximann> Hi! I need some help... I am using Fedora 33. When I run ghci, all the packages installed via the operating system are hidden. Can anyone give me a hand?
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2020-11-06 07:46:00 <loximann> Uhm, is this channel active at all?
2020-11-06 07:46:29 <Uniaika> yep but it's still the morning for many europeans :)
2020-11-06 07:46:41 <Uniaika> and night for americans
2020-11-06 07:46:50 <loximann> True :-D
2020-11-06 07:47:10 <Uniaika> loximann: I am also a fedora user, btw
2020-11-06 07:47:16 <loximann> Uniaika certainly :-D (I am located in Helsinki ;-) )
2020-11-06 07:47:31 <loximann> So much in common :-D
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2020-11-06 07:48:03 <Uniaika> ei, I'm not Finnish :P
2020-11-06 07:48:07 <Uniaika> so
2020-11-06 07:48:14 <Uniaika> don't install haskell packages with dnf
2020-11-06 07:48:16 <Uniaika> just don't
2020-11-06 07:48:32 <Uniaika> you install them with cabal, stack, nix, watever
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2020-11-06 07:48:40 <loximann> OK? But it has worked fine. And in two other systems it has been fine
2020-11-06 07:49:31 <Uniaika> Debian is 5 years late compared to everybody and Arch has decided to do nonsensical policies with dynamic linking :P
2020-11-06 07:49:40 <Uniaika> This is not a reliable way to install libraries
2020-11-06 07:50:03 <loximann> OK, thanks
2020-11-06 07:50:23 <loximann> Still, it would be good to know why it works in a couple of my systems and it doesn't on this one
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2020-11-06 07:50:33 <Uniaika> it's not that it *doesn't work*
2020-11-06 07:50:40 <Uniaika> it's just that it won't *reliably*
2020-11-06 07:51:04 <Uniaika> on the long term you're better off with a cabal store, even a cabal project!
2020-11-06 07:51:34 <Uniaika> with stack, you can invoque a REPL with arbitrary packages, for instance
2020-11-06 07:51:38 <Uniaika> a bit like nix
2020-11-06 07:53:04 <loximann> I don't know, I have been fine for a long long time with my old-fashioned way, so far I have been happy with ghc and ghci for my needs... I would prefer not to change that workflow
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2020-11-06 07:53:54 <loximann> I understand the rationale for using cabal/nix/whatnot, but for me coming where I am coming from, I feel more comfortable with more minimalistic tools
2020-11-06 07:55:29 <sclv> cabal _is_ the most minimalistic tool
2020-11-06 07:55:39 <sclv> using system packaging is way more fragile and complex
2020-11-06 07:55:56 <Uniaika> loximann: yes but here you are, with a broken setup :)
2020-11-06 07:56:36 <sclv> in any case your question is rather vaguee
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2020-11-06 07:56:52 <loximann> OK, I can formulate it more properly :-)
2020-11-06 07:56:58 <sclv> do the packages show up unhidden in `ghc-pkg list`?
2020-11-06 07:57:12 <loximann> Yeah, I mean not in parentheses
2020-11-06 07:57:28 <sclv> ok and how do you launch ghci?
2020-11-06 07:57:41 <loximann> Just type ghci on the console
2020-11-06 07:58:12 <sclv> that's strange
2020-11-06 07:58:19 <sclv> have you tried `ghc-pkg check`?
2020-11-06 07:58:44 <loximann> No, I run it without arguments now and nothing happened?
2020-11-06 07:58:47 <sclv> my one guess is you accidentally have a ghc environment file somewheree
2020-11-06 07:59:24 <sclv> https://ghc.gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/doc/users_guide/packages.html
2020-11-06 07:59:40 <sclv> https://ghc.gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/doc/users_guide/packages.html#package-environments rather
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2020-11-06 07:59:56 <loximann> Indeed renaming ~/.ghc as ~/.ghc_hide fixed that!
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