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2020-11-10 23:34:15 <angerman> First of all BigSur on arm64 comes with Rosetta, our x86_64 compiler still work.
2020-11-10 23:34:31 <arahael> angerman: Yeah, including using it for development?
2020-11-10 23:34:31 hackage data-validation 0.1.2.0 - A library for creating type safe validations. https://hackage.haskell.org/package/data-validation-0.1.2.0 (sambolias)
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2020-11-10 23:35:15 <angerman> arahael: well I can use it to build a x86_64 -> arm64 cross compiler. And then a native one.
2020-11-10 23:35:30 <arahael> Ah, very very nice.
2020-11-10 23:35:38 <angerman> arahael: so I’d say yes. It’s not ideal, but I’m pretty certain it’s workable.
2020-11-10 23:36:02 <angerman> Over time we’ll have native arm64 compilers for arm64
2020-11-10 23:36:40 <angerman> arahael: here’s a native 9.1 build: https://dl.dropbox.com/s/jskw2pjpkhquj4g/ghc-9.1.0.20201110-aarch64-apple-darwin.tar.xz
2020-11-10 23:36:48 <arahael> Awesome, I'm going to get the system then, though not sure when - could still be early next year.
2020-11-10 23:38:13 <angerman> I’ll try to get an M1 Mini as soon as I can, but we’ll it’s currently unavailable here ;-)
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2020-11-10 23:39:02 <arahael> Mine will be an MBP, most likely. Already have a fallback linux headless desktop I don't intend on replacing.
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2020-11-10 23:39:49 <arahael> But for serious building stuff, yeah, the mini sounds absolutely appropriate.
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2020-11-10 23:42:25 <arahael> angerman: Big Sur also works well as well, as far as the haskell ecosystem is concerned?
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2020-11-10 23:43:05 <arahael> (Ie, ignoring brew, and all that, which I understand are still adapting)
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2020-11-10 23:46:44 <angerman> A lot of infrastructure is still missing. And eventually you’ll have to deal with x86_64 it arm64 only slices :-/
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2020-11-10 23:47:25 <arahael> Could you elaborate?
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2020-11-11 00:47:52 <angerman> Well we’ve had fat binaries before. But ghc (and some other compilers) are not naitive multitarget compilers. As such they can’t produce fat binaries by default. As such you’ll end up with only x86_64 or arm64 libraries. Which will become annoying when linking.
2020-11-11 00:48:20 <angerman> Unless of course you are very careful to always have the right architecture slices.
2020-11-11 00:51:33 <jchia1> Among things like (but not limited to) polysemy, freer, freer-simple, fused-effects, which ones are better in terms of ease-of-use and expressiveness? (I don't really care about performance.)
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2020-11-11 00:56:33 <jchia1> I just see that among free, freer-effects, fused-effects & polysemy, free has the most dependent packages on hackage.
2020-11-11 00:56:45 <jchia1> way more than the others
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2020-11-11 01:12:31 <arahael> Ah, I see, thanks angerman - it sounds like for x86_64, it'll be relatiely smooth, and if I play with the ARM-native builds, there's still some interim pains to overcome but it sounds pretty surmountable and there's progress.
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