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2020-10-09 02:15:43 <sm[m]> try the sample games
2020-10-09 02:16:08 <spinnylights> yeah i'm checking out the hackage page rn
2020-10-09 02:16:26 <spinnylights> "executable game spec" is definitely the dream :P
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2020-10-09 02:17:46 <sm[m]> it trips me out how long ago this framework was made and how it's still the go to
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2020-10-09 02:19:33 <spinnylights> kinda makes sense in a way, if it has a lot of useful features
2020-10-09 02:20:37 <spinnylights> building the examples rn
2020-10-09 02:23:53 <spinnylights> v cool ^^ definitely a good proof-of-concept, i'm looking at the pong code and it's v short and readable
2020-10-09 02:25:10 <spinnylights> it's too bad about audio though :/ i wonder how easily this https://hackage.haskell.org/package/csound-expression could be integrated...maybe i'll experiment a bit
2020-10-09 02:25:10 <sm[m]> yep I appreciate it more after working with just sdl
2020-10-09 02:25:22 <spinnylights> yeah it definitely has more game-specific stuff
2020-10-09 02:26:04 <spinnylights> it's nice that you get collision detection, and it seems easier to work with graphics
2020-10-09 02:26:14 <sm[m]> and the binaries will work on any machine I think - no need to install sdl separately
2020-10-09 02:26:41 <spinnylights> yeah that's great as well, i've been thinking about that in the back of my head
2020-10-09 02:26:55 <sm[m]> oh yeah. Isn't there a openAL lib ?
2020-10-09 02:27:29 <sm[m]> elerea looks like an interesting new sound lib
2020-10-09 02:27:55 <spinnylights> seems kind of uncommon to statically link sdl in c or c++ which can def make distribution a bit of a pain
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2020-10-09 02:28:20 <spinnylights> oh i see, does seem interesting
2020-10-09 02:29:16 <spinnylights> i know csound quite deeply so i automatically gravitate in that direction :P it does have the advantage that it can talk to a wide variety of backends (i like to have JACK support in linux which a lot of generic audio libs overlook)
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2020-10-09 02:30:10 <spinnylights> and if it could be made to talk to fungen it would provide a very easy means to add procedural sound to your game which is always cool
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2020-10-09 02:31:05 <spinnylights> i know the csound community is rather fond of haskell but i haven't actually played around with the haskell-related stuff people have made so maybe this is a good time
2020-10-09 02:31:09 <sm[m]> I don't there's any integration required, just use both ?
2020-10-09 02:31:37 <sm[m]> but I haven't tried
2020-10-09 02:31:38 <spinnylights> yeah hopefully it's that straightforward
2020-10-09 02:31:49 <spinnylights> i _think_ that should be the case but yeah, i haven't tried yet
2020-10-09 02:32:55 <spinnylights> the csound-expression lib seems to have a strong focus on live coding which is def promising for use in a game context
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2020-10-09 02:33:56 <spinnylights> whoa this library is really fancy 0_0 it even has a cabbage monad
2020-10-09 02:34:02 <spinnylights> i should have looked at it sooner :P
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2020-10-09 02:36:14 <spinnylights> i'm going to see if i can modify the pong example to produce sound using csound-expression, i'll report back :P
2020-10-09 02:36:47 <spinnylights> i guess maybe i should share my results in #haskell-game
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2020-10-09 02:41:58 <sm[m]> spinnylights: live coding is a bit more of a project but I think some good things to look at are ghcid, Tidal package, and the new reloading system used by IHP
2020-10-09 02:42:57 <spinnylights> oh yeah, i just mean that if it supports live coding it will probably be up to use in a game context
2020-10-09 02:43:11 <spinnylights> in terms of lag etc.
2020-10-09 02:43:34 <spinnylights> csound is pretty fast on its own so as long as the library doesn't introduce extra performance issues it should be fine
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2020-10-09 02:50:46 <koz_> A cabbage monad?
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2020-10-09 02:53:35 <sm[m]> don't you use vegetable monads ?
2020-10-09 02:54:02 <koz_> sm[m]: I prefer fruit.
2020-10-09 02:54:22 <Axman6> You can't call them that any more, we prefer differently-abled monads
2020-10-09 02:54:24 koz_ . o O (instance Monad Tomato where)
2020-10-09 02:54:32 <spinnylights> makes it easy to put the stems, leaves, etc. together
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2020-10-09 02:54:50 <spinnylights> v convenient
2020-10-09 02:55:36 <spinnylights> unfortunately i seem to be stuck in some kind of extra-deps hell with stack :/ i'm still kind of new to it so maybe i'm not going about this the right way
2020-10-09 02:56:00 <koz_> What's the specific extra-deps hell?
2020-10-09 02:56:48 <spinnylights> csound-expression doesn't seem to be part of the package set for the resolver fungen uses, so i'm trying to specify the versions of the needed dependencies by hand, but it's a lot of trouble to figure out how to line everything up so there's no version conflicts :/
2020-10-09 02:57:25 <spinnylights> i might be able to figure it out if i keep at it but it definitely seems like something an automated tool would be better at
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2020-10-09 02:58:18 <koz_> Which resolver does fungen use?
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2020-10-09 02:58:31 <koz_> Are neither of fungen and csound on Stackage?
2020-10-09 02:59:09 <spinnylights> lts-6.12
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2020-10-09 02:59:26 <Axman6> that's... very old
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2020-10-09 03:00:07 <Axman6> has basically no chance of ever compiling on macOS, since older GHCs have issues with linker changes Apple made
2020-10-09 03:00:11 <koz_> That's _hilariously_ ancient.
2020-10-09 03:00:43 <koz_> It's like, GHC 7.10.3 I think?
2020-10-09 03:01:16 <spinnylights> fungen itself builds and runs fine in my environment (arch linux) but yeah, i don't think the code has been updated in a long time
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2020-10-09 03:01:49 <spinnylights> i'm trying to use a version of csound-expression that's roughly contemporary with the fungen source but so far no luck :/
2020-10-09 03:02:15 <koz_> fungen was last updated in 2016.
2020-10-09 03:02:19 <koz_> I wouldn't hope for much.
2020-10-09 03:02:23 <spinnylights> @sm[m] does fungen require lts-6.12 or can it build with something more recent?
2020-10-09 03:02:23 <lambdabot> Unknown command, try @list
2020-10-09 03:02:40 <spinnylights> er :P
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2020-10-09 03:05:37 <koz_> spinnylights: I'm trying with 8.10.2 right now.
2020-10-09 03:05:40 <koz_> Seeing how I go.
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2020-10-09 03:06:55 <spinnylights> yeah i'm trying with 8.8.3...we'll see
2020-10-09 03:07:56 <spinnylights> one of the dependencies for that old version of csound-expression would not build, but let's try with a more recent version
2020-10-09 03:09:37 <koz_> Nah, 8.10.2 breaks due to MonadFail.
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