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2021-03-19 05:04:28 <emmanuel_erc> ephemient: Thanks for answering and showing me that thread.
2021-03-19 05:04:46 <emmanuel_erc> It seems like the only way to get past this strangeness is to turn off the pattern match checker
2021-03-19 05:04:54 <emmanuel_erc> This seems strange...maybe dangerous.
2021-03-19 05:06:01 <bobweb> Hi. I have this problem: https://paste.tomsmeding.com/9aXgZdwX Please help me to get my Functor instance to compile. Thank you.
2021-03-19 05:08:42 <ephemient> :t +v fmap
2021-03-19 05:08:43 <lambdabot> Functor f => (a -> b) -> f a -> f b
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2021-03-19 05:09:38 <ephemient> hmm was there some way to get lambdabot/eval to explicitly print out the forall.?
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2021-03-19 05:10:07 <bobweb> Sorry, that came from the ghci capture.
2021-03-19 05:10:41 <ephemient> in any case, bobweb. "how do i make the compiler understand that the function f should be (a -> a)" you can't, fmap :: forall (f :: * -> *) a b. Functor f => (a -> b) -> f a -> f b means that it has to work for all types a and b, not restricted to ones that you choose
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2021-03-19 05:11:40 <bobweb> So it's impossible to instantiate Functor for a type (Pair a a) ?
2021-03-19 05:11:57 <ephemient> you don't have a type Pair a a, you have a type Pair a
2021-03-19 05:12:06 <ephemient> and it is possible, just not in the way you're thinking
2021-03-19 05:12:30 <bobweb> Sorry, type (Pair a) yes, data constructor (Pair a a).
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2021-03-19 05:13:09 <bobweb> OK. Well, I'm a noob. Any suggestions?
2021-03-19 05:13:46 <ephemient> I don't know how to give a hint without spoiling the whole thing, and I think it would be more elucidating if you figured it out yourself...
2021-03-19 05:14:11 <bobweb> OK. Thanks.
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2021-03-19 05:14:30 <ephemient> but what makes you want to use (f y)?
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2021-03-19 05:15:36 <bobweb> Because the function f has to apply to the last argument to satisfy kindedness
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2021-03-19 05:17:01 <ephemient> of the type, but you're working with the values there
2021-03-19 05:18:04 <ephemient> it's totally legal to define data Pair a b = Pair b a, for example, and then Functor (Pair a) would have to fmap the *first* (b) part of the constructor
2021-03-19 05:18:29 <ephemient> perhaps give Pair (type) and Pair (data constructor) different names and you'll see?
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2021-03-19 05:21:21 <bobweb> OK, but the exercise gives the data constructor parameters as a a not a b and trying to make them a b gives a variable not in scope error for the b.
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2021-03-19 05:25:38 <ephemient> Pair b (type) = Pair b b (value)
2021-03-19 05:25:48 <ephemient> how would you make that?
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2021-03-19 05:26:28 <bobweb> data Pair b = Pair b b
2021-03-19 05:26:55 <bobweb> deriving (Eq, Show)
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2021-03-19 05:28:03 <ephemient> ... my point's not getting across, hmm.
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2021-03-19 05:28:19 <bobweb> Apologies.
2021-03-19 05:28:32 <ephemient> ok, different tack. how would you implement pure :: a -> Pair a?
2021-03-19 05:29:33 <bobweb> pure 5 = Pair 5 5
2021-03-19 05:29:57 <ephemient> right, you don't just put it in the last slot...
2021-03-19 05:30:30 <bobweb> OK, BRB
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2021-03-19 05:32:35 <bobweb> Well, damn. OK, so = Pair (f x) (f y)
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2021-03-19 05:33:19 <bobweb> so the whole kindednes thing is irrelevant in this case.
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2021-03-19 05:34:51 <bobweb> or rather, it's not an issue because Pair a (type) is * -> *
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2021-03-19 05:35:27 <ephemient> a needs to be the last part of Pair :: * -> * (type), but that doesn't mean the same of Pair :: a -> a -> Pair a (value)
2021-03-19 05:37:07 <bobweb> Yes. Thank you for relieving my tunnel vision, ephemient: !
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