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| 2021-03-04 23:59:19 | <koz_> | (and does periodically do so) |
| 2021-03-04 23:59:25 | <koz_> | monochrom: LOL |
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| 2021-03-04 23:59:35 | <koz_> | C-append? |
| 2021-03-04 23:59:35 | <heck-to-the-gnom> | HAH! |
| 2021-03-04 23:59:42 | <koz_> | C-semigroup-operation? |
| 2021-03-04 23:59:50 | <monochrom> | Observe the double pun. |
| 2021-03-05 00:00:07 | <monochrom> | I.e., in C++, you have <> all over the place. Remember? |
| 2021-03-05 00:00:17 | <koz_> | .... lol. |
| 2021-03-05 00:00:28 | <heck-to-the-gnom> | I'm saving this, that was freaking hilarious |
| 2021-03-05 00:00:44 | <koz_> | But yeah, how _do_ you pronounce <>? |
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| 2021-03-05 00:00:59 | <monochrom> | I'm sorry I'm working on LLVM "write an analysis/optimization pass" assignments, C++ is very much in my working memory. |
| 2021-03-05 00:01:19 | <koz_> | monochrom: I am so sorry. |
| 2021-03-05 00:01:23 | <koz_> | You deserve kittens. |
| 2021-03-05 00:01:41 | <heck-to-the-gnom> | C-lt-gt |
| 2021-03-05 00:01:55 | <monochrom> | It's alright. It's how I saw the double pun. |
| 2021-03-05 00:03:20 | <__minoru__shirae> | koz_: "The problem is that array and list are not synonymous in literally any other context." And to add to the confusion we have ArrayList in Java. |
| 2021-03-05 00:04:42 | <heck-to-the-gnom> | I shun Java, just because of its horrid sister-language javascript. I've never actually tried it, but geez, JS is so, so, so horrible. |
| 2021-03-05 00:05:16 | <int-e> | the languages have nothing in common beyond the name and a bit of C ancestry |
| 2021-03-05 00:05:17 | <koz_> | __minoru__shirae: Yeah, that's a dynamic array. I don't think it's as bad. |
| 2021-03-05 00:05:24 | <koz_> | And also what int-e said. |
| 2021-03-05 00:05:55 | <__minoru__shirae> | heck-to-the-gnom: Java and JS aren't more related then any pair of C-based languages |
| 2021-03-05 00:06:00 | <heck-to-the-gnom> | Not to mention the horrendous mess that I hear Java imports are, where in every code linter it yells at you for not being way-overly specific with them. |
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| 2021-03-05 00:06:16 | <koz_> | Also, what's the opposite of 'inlining'? I'd normally say 'de-inlining', but wouldn't that be 'outlining'? |
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| 2021-03-05 00:06:53 | <heck-to-the-gnom> | un-inlining, or outlining both sound right to me |
| 2021-03-05 00:08:44 | <__minoru__shirae> | and I don't understand why people say that JS is horrible, one example is implicit conversions, but in a dynamically typed language you are supposed to use explicit conversion anyway, seems to me. |
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| 2021-03-05 00:10:45 | <__minoru__shirae> | koz_, "lists are never, ever, ever, arrays." in Java world they have a List interface that is implemented by LinkedList and ArrayList. I guess you're saying that LinkedList is never an ArrayList in Java terms. |
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| 2021-03-05 00:15:26 | <heck-to-the-gnom> | And, as far as script languages, it's not all that great in performance. Python really went down the right route with that, where anything that can be converted to pure C, is done automatically, then cached, for further executions. But I digress, |
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| 2021-03-05 00:16:08 | <koz_> | __minoru__shirae: I am not gonna argue nomenclature with the language that gives us DriverApplicationFlyweightProtypeInterfaceObjectHandlers. |
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| 2021-03-05 00:16:25 | <koz_> | Plus, note my distinct lack of capitalization in that sentence. |
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| 2021-03-05 00:17:48 | <koz_> | heck-to-the-gnom: Or, if we're gonna talk scriptlang perf, we can look at LuaJIT, which is that and then some. |
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| 2021-03-05 00:19:13 | <koz_> | But aaaanyway. |
| 2021-03-05 00:19:19 | <koz_> | This is #haskell, not #languagegripes. |
| 2021-03-05 00:19:35 | <heck-to-the-gnom> | True that |
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| 2021-03-05 00:20:41 | <alexfmpe> | https://downloads.haskell.org/~ghc/latest/docs/html/users_guide/lang.html <-this page is gone or just down? |
| 2021-03-05 00:20:55 | <alexfmpe> | used to have the extension descriptions on it |
| 2021-03-05 00:20:55 | <__minoru__shirae> | koz_, seems like the term "list" is too overloaded, maybe you should say "cons list"? |
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| 2021-03-05 00:21:18 | <koz_> | __minoru__shirae: In the data structures world it is not. And I am firmly there. |
| 2021-03-05 00:21:22 | <koz_> | You can do what you like. |
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| 2021-03-05 00:23:32 | <__minoru__shirae> | but anyway, in list vs array discussions people typically figure out the semantics anyway |
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| 2021-03-05 00:24:18 | <__minoru__shirae> | it's like a mini-wave of confusion that later dissolves |
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| 2021-03-05 00:24:46 | <int-e> | alexfmpe: a deep link into the documentation, hmm. the chapter was renamed, it seems: https://downloads.haskell.org/~ghc/latest/docs/html/users_guide/exts.html |
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