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2020-10-26 01:19:58 hackage staversion 0.2.4.0 - What version is the package X in stackage lts-Y.ZZ? https://hackage.haskell.org/package/staversion-0.2.4.0 (debugito)
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2020-10-26 01:52:17 <mikevdg> Ho geez, there's a thousand people in this channel.
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2020-10-26 01:52:32 <mikevdg> I thought Haskell was niche.
2020-10-26 01:52:44 <gattytto> you expected more ppl? or less?
2020-10-26 01:53:16 <gattytto> I'm very glad on how quick I got responses when I got here
2020-10-26 01:53:44 <mikevdg> I was expecting maybe a dozen or so.
2020-10-26 01:54:36 <gattytto> did you watch the computerphile videos on haskell? they are very nice
2020-10-26 01:56:13 <mikevdg> I'm working through some tutorials now. I'm looking at the Fractional class and wondering why it exists.
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2020-10-26 02:00:02 <mikevdg> Why does Ord require so many operators? (<) is the opposite of (>=)
2020-10-26 02:00:38 <int-e> > (0/0 < 1, 0/0 >= 1) -- IEEE disagrees
2020-10-26 02:00:40 <lambdabot> (False,False)
2020-10-26 02:00:57 hackage clckwrks-plugin-page 0.4.3.24 - support for CMS/Blogging in clckwrks https://hackage.haskell.org/package/clckwrks-plugin-page-0.4.3.24 (JeremyShaw)
2020-10-26 02:01:36 <dsal> mikevdg: What do you mean "Require?" Minimal complete definition: compare | (<=)
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2020-10-26 02:02:26 <mikevdg> dsal: you're right. I just saw that.
2020-10-26 02:02:55 <mikevdg> int-e: I reserve my right to disagree with the IEEE. You can't just change math.
2020-10-26 02:02:56 × urodna quits (~urodna@unaffiliated/urodna) (Quit: urodna)
2020-10-26 02:02:56 <dsal> If you're trying to learn haskell by looking at tutorials that are telling you about fractional and stuff, you're definitely doing it the hard way.
2020-10-26 02:03:14 <int-e> As for the Fractional class, it's more or less a field... of characteristic 0 if you want fromRational to be total.
2020-10-26 02:03:24 <mikevdg> It's an example of a type class, to teach type classes.
2020-10-26 02:03:26 <int-e> mikevdg: But Haskell is a programming language.
2020-10-26 02:04:35 <int-e> mikevdg: Anyway, I suspect that IEEE floating point types (which Haskell does have) with NaNs (you'll find a lot of support for the idea that this was a mistake... but not universal support) is the reason why Ord has all these comparison methods.
2020-10-26 02:05:07 × jamm_ quits (~jamm@unaffiliated/jamm) (Remote host closed the connection)
2020-10-26 02:05:27 <int-e> Also, the class methods tend to be inlined anyway, so extra methods don't hurt much, most of the time.
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2020-10-26 02:08:54 <gattytto> so I'm looking for a way to use a ENV VAR inside stack.yaml, is this possible?
2020-10-26 02:08:55 <int-e> There are more "superfluous" methods in other classes... mostly with the idea that the redundant methods can be optimized for some types.
2020-10-26 02:09:35 <int-e> Foldable is an extreme example of this.
2020-10-26 02:09:53 × juri_ quits (~juri@178.63.35.222) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2020-10-26 02:10:08 <dsal> I'm kind of sad about my GoPro project. It's sufficiently feature complete that I don't really have anything I need it to do that it doesn't already do. I've got concurrent cloud-based exodus tools, local versions, resumable parallel uploads. Only things I could add might be helpful for other people, but I don't know any of those people.
2020-10-26 02:10:11 <dsal> I guess I need a new project.
2020-10-26 02:10:20 <dsal> Haskell is too easy. :(
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2020-10-26 02:10:58 <int-e> (`:i Foldable` reads like the interface of Data.List ;-) )
2020-10-26 02:11:01 <gattytto> dsal: can you share the repo link?
2020-10-26 02:11:07 → drbean joins (~drbean@TC210-63-209-46.static.apol.com.tw)
2020-10-26 02:11:51 <dsal> gattytto: http://dustin.sallings.org/2020/04/29/gopro-plus.html is a blog post I wrote a bit back. github.com/dustin/gopro is the code. If you know anyone who does stuff with GoPros, it's a bunch of essential stuff. :)
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2020-10-26 02:14:52 <koz_> dsal: Did you tell Haskell Weekly about it?
2020-10-26 02:14:56 <koz_> If not, _do_.
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2020-10-26 02:15:46 <gattytto> dsal: did you make it cloud-native?
2020-10-26 02:16:12 <dsal> gattytto: I don't know what you mean by that.
2020-10-26 02:16:30 <dsal> koz_: oh neat. I want to find a GoPro user someday
2020-10-26 02:17:02 <gattytto> like kubectl apply -f your-repo/kube-manifest.yaml like elasticsearch and others
2020-10-26 02:17:22 <gattytto> so we can deploy it in a kubernetes cluster for instance.
2020-10-26 02:21:30 <dsal> I'm still not sure why people would deploy anything with kubernetes. heh
2020-10-26 02:22:00 <dsal> It's a single binary. (with a web interface that needs a static dir, but I've been thinking about embedding it / pulling it from github on startup)
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2020-10-26 02:23:13 <mikevdg> Prelude> toRational 1.25404319552844595 % 4503599627370496(I know some smaller numbers that will also work :-) )
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2020-10-26 02:23:24 <mikevdg> ...that formatting didn't work.
2020-10-26 02:23:37 <dsal> > toRational 1.25404319552844595 % 4503599627370496
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