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2020-09-25 00:41:12 <koz_> > 1e9
2020-09-25 00:41:15 <lambdabot> 1.0e9
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2020-09-25 00:41:49 <c_wraith> yeah, Fixed has all the right instances
2020-09-25 00:44:10 <koz_> Nice.
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2020-09-25 01:07:02 <wwwww> What is your toughts about realtime programs with haskell?
2020-09-25 01:07:11 <koz_> wwwww: Define 'realtime'.
2020-09-25 01:07:34 <wwwww> koz_: multiplayer game server
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2020-09-25 01:08:00 <koz_> wwwww: Like, for running a multiplayer FPS game?
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2020-09-25 01:08:08 <koz_> (for instance)
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2020-09-25 01:09:31 <wwwww> Not the game itself but the server, koz_
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2020-09-25 01:13:07 <c_wraith> so very soft realtime
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2020-09-25 01:14:04 <c_wraith> you can do that fine with GHC-compiled Haskell, though it might require some additional discipline to keep GC latency lower than you'd care about in many applications.
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2020-09-25 01:14:15 <Axman6> ir probably depends on how complicated the server is going to get - if it's something simple enough that there won't be much garbase, garbage collection shouldn't be such an issue. the new GC should help with latency too
2020-09-25 01:14:36 <koz_> Axman6: Is new GC already landed, or is it landing in 9?
2020-09-25 01:15:12 <Axman6> pretty sure it's in 8.10? I could be wrong
2020-09-25 01:15:39 <c_wraith> there are also things you can do technically like using compact regions to massively reduce pointer chasing on retained memory.
2020-09-25 01:15:59 <Axman6> yeah large, infrequently changing state should be in a compact region
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2020-09-25 01:16:57 <c_wraith> those are things that often don't matter, but might be really important for a soft realtime application.
2020-09-25 01:17:13 <c_wraith> So... the tools are available, but some of them require manual work.
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2020-09-25 01:19:58 <Axman6> As with most software, make it work, then make it fast
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2020-09-25 01:20:25 <koz_> Or alternatively, make it work, check if fast enough, make fast if not.
2020-09-25 01:20:56 <Axman6> nah, just always make it fast
2020-09-25 01:20:56 × mu quits (~mu@unaffiliated/mu) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2020-09-25 01:21:07 <wwwww> That's what i'm trying to do these days, threadscope was useful tool
2020-09-25 01:21:09 <Axman6> save some penguins by using fewer cycles
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2020-09-25 01:29:02 <wwwww> I have 80% productivity according to profile but that 20% is GC
2020-09-25 01:29:08 <sm[m]> my first time using optparse-applicative in years (via optparse-simple).. could someone explain what I'm doing wrong here ? why won't it parse "2" to Just 2 ? https://paste.tomsmeding.com/6tXUenQu
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2020-09-25 01:31:34 <sm[m]> incidentally https://github.com/tomsmeding/pastebin-haskell deserves more stars
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2020-09-25 01:37:17 × mu quits (~mu@unaffiliated/mu) (Quit: mu)
2020-09-25 01:37:27 hackage http-date 0.0.9 - HTTP Date parser/formatter https://hackage.haskell.org/package/http-date-0.0.9 (KazuYamamoto)
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2020-09-25 01:38:38 <sm[m]> hmm, also why does optparse complain if I add +RTS ... or -- +RTS ... ? That doesn't happen with cmdargs
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