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2020-11-14 00:03:25 <sm[m]> does that look sane ? utcTimeToClockTime https://paste.tomsmeding.com/3lmo5ohU
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2020-11-14 00:07:12 <sm[m]> approved by scientific ghci testing
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2020-11-14 00:13:10 <sm[m]> https://github.com/haskell/old-time/issues/11
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2020-11-14 00:18:01 hackage polysemy-methodology-composite 0.1.3.0 - Functions for using polysemy-methodology with composite. https://hackage.haskell.org/package/polysemy-methodology-composite-0.1.3.0 (locallycompact)
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2020-11-14 00:20:00 <MarcelineVQ> surely there's a more constructive tagline for that than to repeat the package name
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2020-11-14 00:24:15 <sm[m]> I want to check if a file exists, and I don't want to ever get an IO error. I suppose that's not guaranteed by System.Directory.doesFileExist, right
2020-11-14 00:24:34 <sm[m]> eg if filesystem disappeared or something
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2020-11-14 00:32:08 <monochrom> Expecting programmers to know how to describe a thing without using code or "meaningful" names? :)
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2020-11-14 00:34:12 <int-e> sm[m]: what if the FS disappears between the test and whatever you did the test for?
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2020-11-14 00:34:41 <int-e> . o O ( doesFileCertainlyExist _fn = return False )
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2020-11-14 00:37:05 <sm[m]> int-e: that's what I'm saying.. if I want to guard against such things I think I need to catch IOException, not just rely on it returning False
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2020-11-14 00:37:44 <c_wraith> int-e: that's just a naming problem. a name like probablyExistedAtSomeTime lets it be more useful.
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2020-11-14 00:37:53 <sm[m]> oh.. well yes now you make things more difficult for me :)
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2020-11-14 00:39:12 <int-e> sm[m]: I liked my function, because it's not going to throw an IO error. :P
2020-11-14 00:40:39 <sm[m]> there's a fine line here and I think you have gone too far :)
2020-11-14 00:40:40 <int-e> computers just have too many ways to fail
2020-11-14 00:41:05 <sm[m]> main = exitFailure
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2020-11-14 00:41:49 <int-e> main = main -- partially correct; TODO: imrpove running time
2020-11-14 00:42:30 hackage charter 0.1.1.0 - https://hackage.haskell.org/package/charter-0.1.1.0 (ChrisPenner)
2020-11-14 00:42:40 <int-e> (though that joke doesn't quite work with blackhole detection)
2020-11-14 00:43:42 <MarcelineVQ> then there's the case where something else entirely threw the IO error during your IO action
2020-11-14 00:44:12 <bqv> sm[m]: technically, you should be catching IOException anyway, right?
2020-11-14 00:44:32 <bqv> they can strike at any time!
2020-11-14 00:44:37 <bqv> when you least expect it...
2020-11-14 00:44:41 <bqv> except in pure code.
2020-11-14 00:45:17 <sm[m]> bqv I suppose you're right, and in fact I only use this in the context of Yesod which does that
2020-11-14 00:46:05 <sm[m]> so catching exceptions in here is probably trying too hard. I am also just afraid of anything exception related at this point, I feel it's going to bite me.
2020-11-14 00:47:11 <bqv> heh
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2020-11-14 00:51:31 hackage charter 0.1.1.1 - https://hackage.haskell.org/package/charter-0.1.1.1 (ChrisPenner)
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