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2021-04-13 00:45:44 <DigitalKiwi> edwardk: who? ;)
2021-04-13 00:46:21 <DigitalKiwi> edwardk: even on the occassions that i remember there is a third author i don't remember the name...
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2021-04-13 00:46:59 <Axman6> Turns out that Real World HAskell leads to disappearing into the Faceborg
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2021-04-13 00:50:15 <DigitalKiwi> ski: see that right there is that why python doesn't have TCO. all of those words that i know a few of...
2021-04-13 00:51:38 <ski> i could try to elaborate, if there's any particular ones you're wondering about
2021-04-13 00:52:25 <ski> (not sure about what the lack of TCO (a misnomer) in Python has to do with the above, though)
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2021-04-13 00:55:28 <ski> (sometimes people put forth the argument that proper tail calls interfere with (traditional procedural) debugging. however, i've not seen anyone complain about not being able to see in a stack trace all the previous iterations of a loop (whose execution hasn't ended yet), so i consider this argument to be specious, or at least not sufficiently taking the relevant issues into account)
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2021-04-13 01:29:58 <DigitalKiwi> ski: yeah the debugging argument (GVR) is bs. always was. i think it's a red herring. especially considering how bad the python error messages are that they find acceptable. always seemed more like a "I don't understand this thing but I can't let them know that"
2021-04-13 01:30:15 <DigitalKiwi> (GVR) gave*
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2021-04-13 01:31:27 <DigitalKiwi> https://twitter.com/haskellhutt/status/1308076394417655820
2021-04-13 01:32:06 <monochrom> How did Hutton manage to call himself haskellhutt :)
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2021-04-13 01:33:29 <monochrom> Sounds like violin gang vs piano gang
2021-04-13 01:33:32 <DigitalKiwi> not understanding a thing is fine but sometimes it's really hard for people to allow for the possibility that they are wrong
2021-04-13 01:34:22 <DigitalKiwi> odersky did that too
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2021-04-13 01:37:21 <monochrom> Perhaps not, I guess violin is difficult from the beginning to the end.
2021-04-13 01:37:24 <DigitalKiwi> that* not understand a thing but attempt to convince people otherwise
2021-04-13 01:37:59 <DigitalKiwi> ...and robert martin
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2021-04-13 01:38:13 <DigitalKiwi> hmm i'm starting to see a pattern
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2021-04-13 01:55:59 <maralorn> wz1000: I actually chose that solution exactly because I want every error to bubble up.
2021-04-13 01:56:17 <maralorn> Have been bitten to much by a crucial worker thread silently dying.
2021-04-13 01:57:10 <maralorn> But of course I would like to do that without building up pointers to already exited threads in memory.
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2021-04-13 02:01:55 <ski> DigitalKiwi : .. yea :/
2021-04-13 02:02:02 <ski> (who's Robert Martin ?)
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2021-04-13 02:03:26 <DigitalKiwi> green orb
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2021-04-13 02:04:03 <DigitalKiwi> Clean Code
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2021-04-13 02:06:16 <DigitalKiwi> https://twitter.com/jdan/status/1305170088304300032 lolol
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2021-04-13 02:06:52 <ski> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_C._Martin>, i take it
2021-04-13 02:06:59 <glguy> It doesn't seem obvious to me that not having an implicit tail call optimization is a misfeature
2021-04-13 02:07:08 <glguy> not having it and having an explicit tail call both seem valid
2021-04-13 02:07:30 <glguy> certainly not something that merits insulting the person making the tradeoff
2021-04-13 02:07:30 <DigitalKiwi> that was the first one that popped up in my browser history for 'unclebob'
2021-04-13 02:08:52 <ski> having it as an optimization is rather meh, i think
2021-04-13 02:09:45 DigitalKiwi probably meant TCE not TCO if that makes a difference

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