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2020-10-06 16:50:18 → st8less joins (~st8less@2603:a060:11fd:0:443c:d730:5d8c:f920)
2020-10-06 16:52:44 <geekosaur> of course, if you follow this all too far, you land in the mess of semantic editors
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2020-10-06 16:57:39 <maralorn> hls will soon have jum to library definitions.
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2020-10-06 16:59:12 <sm[m]> that's going to be great!
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2020-10-06 17:01:13 <Guest_62> I'm having problems installing haskell
2020-10-06 17:01:50 <Guest_62> i have a mac
2020-10-06 17:01:55 <davean> Guest_62: did you install it via ghcup? Or did you do pieces on your own?
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2020-10-06 17:02:14 <Guest_62> via ghcup
2020-10-06 17:02:19 <davean> What went wrong?
2020-10-06 17:02:26 <maerwald> PATH
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2020-10-06 17:02:29 <maerwald> :)
2020-10-06 17:02:54 <sm[m]> docs! :)
2020-10-06 17:03:10 <maerwald> sm[m]: there's enough info, but ppl don't read it
2020-10-06 17:03:41 <davean> I do not understand why people don't read directions
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2020-10-06 17:03:53 <sm[m]> it's still a docs fail somehow.. if they're necessary, how do you ensure they are read...
2020-10-06 17:03:57 <maerwald> could add a quizz at the end of the installation that tries to figure out if the user has read the instructions
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2020-10-06 17:04:06 <sm[m]> indeed
2020-10-06 17:04:17 <sm[m]> or have the script print the required docs to the console ?
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2020-10-06 17:04:27 <maerwald> oh, they left
2020-10-06 17:04:37 <sm[m]> very wise :)
2020-10-06 17:04:56 <sm[m]> maerwald: could the script do whatever docs are telling users to do ?
2020-10-06 17:05:05 <davean> thats not reasonable
2020-10-06 17:05:16 <maerwald> and it's platform dependent
2020-10-06 17:05:17 <davean> Nor desirable
2020-10-06 17:05:18 <sm[m]> sometimes, but it's valid question to ask
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2020-10-06 17:05:30 <sm[m]> I don't say it's easy or always desirable
2020-10-06 17:05:33 <maerwald> many mac users here ask how to *open a file*
2020-10-06 17:06:05 <sm[m]> PATH in particular trips up almost every new user and is something that really should be more automatable
2020-10-06 17:06:14 <ghoulguy> maerwald: When I start ghcup tui, all the outdated GHC versions tend to dominate the screen. This will only get worse over time. Do you think we could come up witha better order that features the more useful list entries with the outdated stuff below?
2020-10-06 17:06:19 motherfs1 is now known as motherfsck
2020-10-06 17:06:42 <sm[m]> (I'm not pointing the finger at ghcup here, I have the same problem in my docs)
2020-10-06 17:06:52 <maerwald> ghoulguy: https://gitlab.haskell.org/haskell/ghcup-hs/-/issues/69
2020-10-06 17:07:32 <sm[m]> stack's install script and stack itself print a clear(ish) warning about PATH on the console, that's something at least
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2020-10-06 17:08:32 <maralorn> simonmic: I despise scripts as replacement for documentation. They keep me stupid.
2020-10-06 17:09:07 <maerwald> and unix is so messy, there's no real API to add something to PATH
2020-10-06 17:09:19 <davean> Yah, and it varies by shell and other factors
2020-10-06 17:09:19 <ghoulguy> maerwald: Thanks. I left some notes.
2020-10-06 17:09:24 <davean> PATH is a really complicated variable.
2020-10-06 17:09:32 <sm[m]> maralorn: if you stick to that view, we'd never get anywhere
2020-10-06 17:09:45 <sm[m]> some abstraction is needed
2020-10-06 17:10:03 <maralorn> simonmic: Well I think it depends on the situation. ;-)
2020-10-06 17:10:05 <sm[m]> I for one am heartily sick of explaining PATH issues
2020-10-06 17:10:07 <maerwald> davean: it's reassuring that the entirety of nix is based on that variable :p
2020-10-06 17:10:24 <koala_man> my favorite PATH fun fact is that you can put a literal tilde in it, and only bash will treat it as your home dir
2020-10-06 17:10:29 <davean> maerwald: thats hardly true
2020-10-06 17:10:44 <maralorn> maerwald: sudo cp .bin/* /usr/bin?
2020-10-06 17:10:57 <maerwald> sudo: command not found
2020-10-06 17:11:03 <maralorn> Very clean api
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2020-10-06 17:11:25 <maerwald> I despise scripts that assume I have sudo... and I despise scripts that just run it
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2020-10-06 17:15:48 <dsal> Running it from inside a command is quite wrong.
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2020-10-06 17:16:27 <yushyin> to make things more interesting, I use zsh's option to treat PATH as a Set. `typeset -U path; path+=(~/.local/bin)' :)
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2020-10-06 17:18:34 <sm[m]> this is not helping! :)
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