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2021-03-24 22:12:54 <bgamari> solidus-river, I'm not entirely sure what you
2021-03-24 22:13:00 <monochrom> Data.Binary.Builder also has putWord64be and putInt64be for Builder.
2021-03-24 22:13:02 <bgamari> solidus-river, IIRC Builder is a synonym for Put
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2021-03-24 22:13:19 <bgamari> or rather, the other way around
2021-03-24 22:13:40 <solidus-river> this doesn't type check and I'm wifing on why, still playing around in ghci
2021-03-24 22:13:42 <monochrom> Neither.
2021-03-24 22:13:53 <solidus-river> toLazyByteString . putWord64be . fromIntegral
2021-03-24 22:14:08 <solidus-river> i think that should be Num a => a => ByteString
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2021-03-24 22:14:39 <solidus-river> erm: Num a => a -> ByteString
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2021-03-24 22:15:24 <hololeap> solidus-river: did you mean toInteger instead of fromIntegral?
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2021-03-24 22:15:59 <solidus-river> :t toInteger
2021-03-24 22:16:00 <lambdabot> Integral a => a -> Integer
2021-03-24 22:16:05 <solidus-river> :t fromIntegral
2021-03-24 22:16:06 <lambdabot> (Integral a, Num b) => a -> b
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2021-03-24 22:19:16 <hololeap> ignore that last statement of mine, but it would be: Integral a => a -> ByteString
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2021-03-24 22:23:08 <bgamari> monochrom, huh, so you are right
2021-03-24 22:23:57 <monochrom> :)
2021-03-24 22:24:19 <monochrom> YEAH DOCS
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2021-03-24 22:24:42 <solidus-river> toInteger didn't help but I'm getting closer... does ghci bot have these things imported?
2021-03-24 22:25:07 <solidus-river> :t toLazyByteString . putWord64be . fromIntegral
2021-03-24 22:25:09 <lambdabot> error:
2021-03-24 22:25:09 <lambdabot> Variable not in scope: toLazyByteString :: b0 -> c
2021-03-24 22:25:09 <lambdabot> error:
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2021-03-24 22:25:16 <solidus-river> neope :P
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2021-03-24 22:25:45 <solidus-river> somethings messed up with my packages. Its claiming Data.ByteString has no toStrict
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2021-03-24 22:26:44 <monochrom> toStrict belongs to Data.ByteString.Lazy
2021-03-24 22:26:57 <monochrom> Do you have access to Hoogle? Docs?
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2021-03-24 22:28:05 <tempate> Can anyone recommend a good set of coding problems specifically meant to be solved in Haskell?
2021-03-24 22:28:49 <hololeap> it looks like PutM is basically the same as `Writer ByteString` (strict Writer), and `type Put = PutM ()`
2021-03-24 22:29:01 <maerwald> tempate: write a compiler
2021-03-24 22:30:00 <Axman6> tempate: https://wiki.haskell.org/H-99:_Ninety-Nine_Haskell_Problems https://blog.tmorris.net/posts/20-intermediate-haskell-exercises/
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2021-03-24 22:30:58 <tempate> Thank you very much, Axman6
2021-03-24 22:30:58 <Axman6> the latter is excellent, I won't say much more about it because it's intentionally a set of problems designed to make you let the types guide you
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2021-03-24 22:31:19 <Axman6> Use the types Luke
2021-03-24 22:32:30 <solidus-river> monochrom: i'm using hackage docs but i'm not very good at navigating them i guess
2021-03-24 22:32:48 <solidus-river> toString is mentioned in the module documentation for Data.ByteString so i assumed it would be in there
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2021-03-24 22:33:25 <tempate> Axman6: the second one does seem quite interesting. If you don't mind I'll get back at you once I've given it a try.
2021-03-24 22:34:02 <Axman6> yeah feel free to ask lots of questions here, it's likely you'll need some hints
2021-03-24 22:35:30 <tempate> Well, to be honest I didn't even know there were classes in Haskell
2021-03-24 22:35:49 <Axman6> you have much to learn then :)
2021-03-24 22:35:53 <tempate> tfw you learn from the question itself
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2021-03-24 22:36:26 <Axman6> if you haven't seen classes before, they're somewhat analogous to interfaces in, say, Java
2021-03-24 22:36:38 <Axman6> % :i Num
2021-03-24 22:36:38 <yahb> Axman6: type Num :: * -> Constraint; class Num a where; (+) :: a -> a -> a; (-) :: a -> a -> a; (*) :: a -> a -> a; negate :: a -> a; abs :: a -> a; signum :: a -> a; fromInteger :: Integer -> a; {-# MINIMAL (+), (*), abs, signum, fromInteger, (negate | (-)) #-}; -- Defined in `GHC.Num'; instance forall a. Integral a => Num (Ratio a) -- Defined in `GHC.Real'; instance Num Int8 -- Defined in `GHC.In
2021-03-24 22:36:43 <monochrom> solidus-river: Then consider version mismatch. bytestring-0.10.12.0 (from GHC 8.10.4) doesn't have toStrict in Data.ByteString. bytestring-0.11.* has it. Clearly, hackage always displays a version newer than what you actually use.
2021-03-24 22:36:54 <Axman6> hmm, that's a big class
2021-03-24 22:37:22 <monochrom> And Google, always 5 versions behind.
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2021-03-24 22:37:42 <tempate> oh, right, I think a friend mentioned them once
2021-03-24 22:37:49 <monochrom> This is why I don't understand why serious developers don't build and read local docs. Internet docs are always the wrong version.
2021-03-24 22:38:02 <tempate> My only Haskell experience are days 1, 2 and 3 of Advent of Code 2020
2021-03-24 22:38:56 <Axman6> right, maybe you will find other resources a better place to start.
2021-03-24 22:39:49 <Axman6> monochrom: I think in the haskell worls a lot of that comes from not having good integration with tools like IDEs, but that's changing with HLS, I find myself using the docs on hover a lot
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2021-03-24 22:42:50 <solidus-river> monochrom: good tip, running a haddock build now :) this is my first real big haskell project so I'm still getting the ropes of the dev workflow
2021-03-24 22:43:31 <Axman6> tempate: not sure how useful it is for learning initially, but keep this handy, it's something that I've learned new things from again and again over the years: http://dev.stephendiehl.com/hask/
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2021-03-24 22:43:55 <monochrom> http://www.vex.net/~trebla/tmp/hasdoc is my shell script that guesses local doc location and pops it up in your web browser by an xdg-open call.
2021-03-24 22:44:28 <tempate> Axman6: well, I usually learn best by just diving right into problems and not going through endless books
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2021-03-24 22:44:48 <tempate> (funnily enough this only happens to me with coding; I love reading)
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2021-03-24 22:46:03 <Axman6> Many people get tripped up by doing that with Haskell, as it;s quite fundamentally different to what they already know - having taught Haskell at university, I often find people who haven't done any programming before find it easier to pick up as they don't have bad habbits ingrained already
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2021-03-24 22:46:31 <monochrom> RIght, dive-in works iff there is little surprise.
2021-03-24 22:46:58 <monochrom> The old age of "easy to pick up another language because just syntax change" ended 20 years ago.
2021-03-24 22:47:07 <solidus-river> tempate: welcome :) Haskells heavy on the learning up-front but I just started 2 weeks ago and have a non-trivial 7 socketed threaded zeromq server that deals with shared state etc in ~ 300 lines of pretty darn readable code
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