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2020-11-10 22:47:41 × __monty__ quits (~toonn@unaffiliated/toonn) (Quit: leaving)
2020-11-10 22:48:06 <lucente> Have to point out I am more into structuraly interpreted languages such as C. Haskell really makes my life a hell for anything but math calculations.
2020-11-10 22:49:29 <hekkaidekapus> Let’s stick to Haskell. So, what is the web compiler? Is that how you are supposed to turn in the assignment?
2020-11-10 22:50:03 <davve> i learned erlang in my functional programming class
2020-11-10 22:50:06 <davve> good times
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2020-11-10 22:51:14 <davve> haskell is something i stumbled onto by xmonad, which gave me an appreciation for it and i totally agree, it's easy to do math, but general programming is possible too: you came to the right place here! :)
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2020-11-10 22:52:02 <hekkaidekapus> lucente: ghci is an interpreter (aka an interactor). It ‘evaluates’ stuff as you type in. The error you pasted comes from compilation (aka calling ghc one way or another).
2020-11-10 22:52:17 <lucente> hekkaidekapus, nah, don't play games. Although thanks guys for trying to help
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2020-11-10 22:53:02 <lucente> not like I have been around computers since age 10
2020-11-10 22:53:38 <hekkaidekapus> Well then, I’m done.
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2020-11-10 22:54:13 <lucente> davve, I have to say that Haskell looks the most elegant from everything I have ever had my hands on
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2020-11-10 22:58:59 <lucente> I wish I could somehow teach myself to manage my time smarter and organize the week so I don't end up working on assignments a day before deadline or so. I have already started to use org-mode, but most of the time I lack to will to do things, mainly because I can't find a reason why to do them. Like if everything was meaningless and my life was leading to wrong direction.
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2020-11-10 23:01:28 <monochrom> I have that procrastination problem too.
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2020-11-10 23:02:01 <monochrom> Fortunately, Haskell is nicer to work with, and gives me more incentive than average to not procrastinate work related to it.
2020-11-10 23:03:10 <Axman6> lucente: hey, pro tip, it's _very_ likely your lecturer is in this channel. Maybe a_ stop being a dick and b) be greatful when people give up their time to help you when they have absolutely nothing to gain by doing it, mmkay?
2020-11-10 23:05:36 × nbloomf quits (~nbloomf@2600:1700:ad14:3020:68e3:2348:6146:33b5) (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
2020-11-10 23:06:41 <lucente> As long as I am concerned I was acting nothing but politely. If someone feels otherwise I am sorry for their misinterpretation of my words. Again I have thanked to everyone who tried to help.
2020-11-10 23:06:49 <hekkaidekapus> Axman6: Aye. The worst part is that I just learnt that <https://ideone.com> is really an online compiler!
2020-11-10 23:07:01 × alp quits (~alp@2a01:e0a:58b:4920:8da6:37da:b1a5:2020) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
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2020-11-10 23:08:50 <Axman6> "nah, don't play games" to someone who is actively helping you, "not like I have been around computers since age 10", lack of humility that you might not actually know everything; we were all using computers when we were 10. none of that is polite
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2020-11-10 23:10:38 <Axman6> hekkaidekapus: https://godbolt.org is where the real fun is - compare the results from different languages, disassemble them, look at instruction timings etc, it's amazing
2020-11-10 23:10:39 <lucente> the hekkaidekapus asked me if I know what compiler is. Firstly would be nice to find out who the initiator was
2020-11-10 23:11:30 <koz_> Axman6: Godbolt is really very cool.
2020-11-10 23:11:49 <merijn> koz_: Indeed
2020-11-10 23:11:54 <hekkaidekapus> Axman6: Yeah, godbolt, that I am aware of. Nice tech!
2020-11-10 23:12:03 <merijn> godbolt is a superpower ;)
2020-11-10 23:12:10 <koz_> It helped me discover I was inadvertently tripping UB one time.
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2020-11-10 23:12:20 <koz_> (because honestly, C loves UB)
2020-11-10 23:12:31 <Axman6> if hekkaidekapus was asking that then I would assume that was because you appeared not to know. All I saw was asking what "web compiler" you were using, which as far as I can see you didn't answer
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2020-11-10 23:13:30 hackage composition-prelude 3.0.0.2 - Higher-order function combinators https://hackage.haskell.org/package/composition-prelude-3.0.0.2 (vmchale)
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2020-11-10 23:15:28 <arahael> whats haskell like on apple silicon now? all good or some issues still being resolved?
2020-11-10 23:16:36 <hekkaidekapus> arahael: Page angerman because he is the most invested in that (beside Ben), it seems.
2020-11-10 23:17:23 <lucente> Axman6, again you are accusing me of actions you have poor knowledge of. The only web compiler was the one I posted in the message. Not like any of this would matter anymore. For the next time just try not to get so harsh on someone in my pants, mkay?
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2020-11-10 23:22:07 <arahael> hekkaidekapus: thanks!
2020-11-10 23:22:51 <arahael> angerman, ben_m: whats haskell like on apple silicon these days, now that M1 has been released for some apple systems?
2020-11-10 23:24:07 <hekkaidekapus> bgamari ^^^
2020-11-10 23:24:34 <bgamari> arahael, we are working on it
2020-11-10 23:24:45 <bgamari> arahael, I hope that 9.0 will ship with support via the LLVM backend
2020-11-10 23:25:15 <Axman6> nice - are there any plans for a native AArch64 backend for GHC?
2020-11-10 23:25:16 <bgamari> and angerman is currently working on a native code generator backend which should improve compilation time significantly
2020-11-10 23:25:24 <Axman6> <3
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2020-11-10 23:26:33 <hekkaidekapus> Axman6: <https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/-/merge_requests/3641>
2020-11-10 23:26:33 <arahael> bgamari: ah, in the mean time, whats it like developing for the "legacy" intel backend while on apple silicon?
2020-11-10 23:26:52 <bgamari> moreover, I just pushed a bunch of fixes which should improve stability in general on ARM and other weak memory models
2020-11-10 23:26:53 <Axman6> LLVM doesn't have any form oif ASM -> ASM optimisation utility right?
2020-11-10 23:27:10 <arahael> nice, bgamari!
2020-11-10 23:27:14 <bgamari> s/other weak memory models/other architectures with weak memory models/
2020-11-10 23:27:23 <bgamari> that will certainly ship with 9.0
2020-11-10 23:27:32 bgamari needs to start backporting
2020-11-10 23:27:35 <bgamari> Axman6, it doesn't
2020-11-10 23:27:47 <bgamari> arahael, this is a question for angerman
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2020-11-10 23:28:08 <bgamari> arahael, I did a bit of early bring-up work but frankly I try to avoid apple like the plague
2020-11-10 23:28:30 <bgamari> angerman both has a better idea of what he's doing and enjoys it more
2020-11-10 23:28:39 <arahael> bgamari: yeah, my day job is ios using swift, so it pays the bills and keeps me invested.
2020-11-10 23:28:48 <bgamari> :)
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2020-11-10 23:29:06 <bgamari> I was able to get an amd64 GHC running on the DTK pretty easly
2020-11-10 23:29:08 <bgamari> easily*
2020-11-10 23:29:20 <bgamari> building GHC wasn't so easy though due to dependencies
2020-11-10 23:29:28 <bgamari> IIRC gmp was problematic
2020-11-10 23:29:34 <Axman6> DTK?
2020-11-10 23:29:36 <arahael> awesome, i'll be keen to hear from him, i presume his nick's alerted him already!
2020-11-10 23:29:55 <Axman6> he's gonna be... so angry
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2020-11-10 23:30:16 <arahael> Axman6: apple dev kit, it is/was under nda though.
2020-11-10 23:30:18 <koz_> Angeryman.
2020-11-10 23:30:29 <bgamari> Axman6, the test hardware that we had access to
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