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2020-10-12 20:06:16 <untseac> hello. is it me doing something really wrong or yesod uses a archaic LTS?
2020-10-12 20:06:37 <c_wraith> that would be surprising, as yesod is the main reason stack exists
2020-10-12 20:06:49 <untseac> hum that I didn't know
2020-10-12 20:07:27 hackage hwk 0.4 - Simple cli text processing with Haskell functions https://hackage.haskell.org/package/hwk-0.4 (JensPetersen)
2020-10-12 20:07:29 <untseac> so nobody likes stack anymore?
2020-10-12 20:07:31 <hc> true... yesod was pretty much unusable before stack :)
2020-10-12 20:07:46 <c_wraith> And the latest stackage LTS lists yesod
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2020-10-12 20:08:06 hc has the feeling that the growing dislike for stack is mostly political
2020-10-12 20:08:09 <untseac> ok so maybe the templates are just old but yesod itself is not
2020-10-12 20:08:15 <c_wraith> that's probable
2020-10-12 20:08:23 <unclechu> untseac: i like stack when i can’t use nix
2020-10-12 20:08:41 <hc> i was in a webinar with fp complete once and specifically (and innocently) asked for their thoughts about nixos/cabal and didn't get an answer :)
2020-10-12 20:08:42 <c_wraith> I don't like stack because it's extra complication that doesn't provide value for me. But I can see how it would be useful for others.
2020-10-12 20:08:46 <untseac> yeah I'm on arch and don't really want to bother with nix yet
2020-10-12 20:08:49 <untseac> yeah I'm on arch and don't really want to bother with nix yet unclechu
2020-10-12 20:08:56 <untseac> oops duplicate
2020-10-12 20:09:04 <koz_> https://www.stackage.org/lts-16.18/package/yesod-1.6.1.0
2020-10-12 20:09:19 <hc> i for one wouldn't have dared to use haskell at my company without stack and the stability promise it bringe :)
2020-10-12 20:09:23 <koz_> 16.18 is pretty recent!
2020-10-12 20:09:24 <c_wraith> are you using matrix? Editing messages in matrix causes its IRC bridge to resend messages.
2020-10-12 20:09:40 <untseac> ok so it's probably just the templates
2020-10-12 20:09:52 <koz_> untseac: Stack templates right?
2020-10-12 20:09:57 <untseac> yeah
2020-10-12 20:10:04 <koz_> In my experience they are completely unusable garbage in the general sense.
2020-10-12 20:10:10 <untseac> it's on yesod webpage: https://www.yesodweb.com/page/quickstart
2020-10-12 20:10:19 <koz_> I literally had to roll my own using cookiecutter because of how utterly useless they were.
2020-10-12 20:10:22 <untseac> but they're using this usper old LTS
2020-10-12 20:10:30 <koz_> Both in terms of content and documentation.
2020-10-12 20:10:40 <untseac> which kind of made me not want to try yesod lol
2020-10-12 20:10:48 <untseac> I was already looking into alternativs
2020-10-12 20:10:56 <koz_> untseac: What're you trying to build?
2020-10-12 20:11:09 <untseac> just experimenting
2020-10-12 20:11:13 <untseac> nothing special
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2020-10-12 20:12:05 <untseac> yesod seems to be the most popular web framework in haskell right now
2020-10-12 20:12:13 <untseac> that's why I was trying first
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2020-10-12 20:12:53 <untseac> but all main web frameworks looks okay to me to be honest
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2020-10-12 20:13:12 <davean> yesod is definately the most *marketed*
2020-10-12 20:13:32 <koz_> davean: Interestingly enough, I had to bench yesod vs servant vs snap recently.
2020-10-12 20:13:32 <untseac> yeah might as well start with the most marketed
2020-10-12 20:13:42 <koz_> Yesod came out _by far_ behind the other two.
2020-10-12 20:13:48 <davean> koz_: oh of course
2020-10-12 20:14:01 <koz_> It also trips spurious GHC warnings with its TH.
2020-10-12 20:14:06 <davean> Of course it does
2020-10-12 20:14:28 <koz_> davean: You sound unsurprised.
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