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2020-11-19 16:38:40 × bob_twinkles quits (~quassel@ec2-52-37-66-13.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2020-11-19 16:38:44 <larou> so you can supply inputs to each of them in a fold
2020-11-19 16:39:00 <larou> and the values it calculates serve as inputs to the rest
2020-11-19 16:39:02 × knupfer quits (~Thunderbi@200116b82cfb8700fd61a7f6e9856548.dip.versatel-1u1.de) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2020-11-19 16:39:17 <larou> you specify type level symbols as annotations to the edges of the Net
2020-11-19 16:39:26 <larou> thats how these new type of trees work
2020-11-19 16:39:56 <larou> they dont sit underneath each other in a GADT, appearing as a self reference within a list, like a regular tree
2020-11-19 16:40:20 <larou> so you give each of the edges a label, and have the nodes that are on either end of it both reference that
2020-11-19 16:40:35 bob_twinkles joins (~quassel@ec2-52-37-66-13.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com)
2020-11-19 16:40:38 <larou> the matrix is a numerical representation of the resulting adjacency matrix
2020-11-19 16:40:45 <larou> well, its directed from inputs to outputs
2020-11-19 16:41:11 <larou> and then you exponentiate that to get, "if it is above itself" which would throw an error as a cycle
2020-11-19 16:41:34 <larou> the constraint on the CloseNet constructor would not hold
2020-11-19 16:41:44 <larou> you would have to specify better sparks as a type annotation
2020-11-19 16:42:13 invaser1 joins (~Thunderbi@31.148.23.125)
2020-11-19 16:42:18 <larou> so what do you recon!? solved the ancient, upwards branching trees thing, finally
2020-11-19 16:42:25 <merijn> I propose implementing a prototype and showing that to people, rather than roughly explaining in english
2020-11-19 16:42:27 × heatsink quits (~heatsink@107-136-5-69.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net) (Remote host closed the connection)
2020-11-19 16:42:40 <larou> it works as in the links provided
2020-11-19 16:42:50 <[exa]> cabal install <what>
2020-11-19 16:42:52 <larou> i dont have it doing what i want yet though
2020-11-19 16:43:06 <merijn> So...it doesn't work yet
2020-11-19 16:43:16 <larou> i need to shuffle them so the nodes at the leafs pass inputs along for functions to be evaluated
2020-11-19 16:43:30 <larou> merijn: exactly what i described is demonstrated in those pastes
2020-11-19 16:43:38 kritzefitz joins (~kritzefit@212.86.56.80)
2020-11-19 16:43:41 <larou> what it doesnt do yet, it does not yet do
2020-11-19 16:43:54 <larou> so its not with "the final demo"
2020-11-19 16:44:04 <larou> which would probably be what you would want
2020-11-19 16:44:27 <larou> so, basically its a state function
2020-11-19 16:44:32 <larou> so i can put it on a graph!
2020-11-19 16:44:36 <larou> and that makes it a monad
2020-11-19 16:44:39 <larou> which is pretty mad
2020-11-19 16:44:47 <larou> the "net" thing, with actual functions on
2020-11-19 16:44:52 × invaser quits (~Thunderbi@31.148.23.125) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
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2020-11-19 16:44:59 <larou> its the monad from; "programs are monads"
2020-11-19 16:45:14 <merijn> "and that makes it a monad" <- I doubt that without a proof
2020-11-19 16:45:14 × chkno quits (~chkno@75-7-2-127.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2020-11-19 16:45:22 <larou> i have explicitly named bound variables expressed at type level
2020-11-19 16:45:26 chkno joins (~chkno@75-7-2-127.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net)
2020-11-19 16:45:31 <larou> meijn: it is a monad though...
2020-11-19 16:45:53 justan0theruser joins (~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser)
2020-11-19 16:45:56 <larou> you can break programs down and compose them, programs aka functions
2020-11-19 16:46:10 <larou> anyway, the point is its a *state*
2020-11-19 16:46:12 <larou> so it changes
2020-11-19 16:46:17 <larou> the whole program
2020-11-19 16:46:26 <larou> and thats where these sparks sit, internally as states
2020-11-19 16:46:51 <larou> they go along internal edges that you have brokn to make them external inputs and outputs directed to a state variable that acts as a memory store
2020-11-19 16:46:59 <[exa]> larou: it makes no sense, seriously
2020-11-19 16:47:20 <larou> you have the graph of functions, and with it, all of the spark states, that are returned when you run the function on its inputs and previous spark states
2020-11-19 16:47:48 <larou> and you package all of that up as a state function
2020-11-19 16:48:08 × pavonia quits (~user@unaffiliated/siracusa) (Quit: Bye!)
2020-11-19 16:48:15 <larou> and put it on a graph of functions, with its cycles broken as another layer of sparks, stored as states in another state function wrapper and so on
2020-11-19 16:48:19 oish joins (~charlie@228.25.169.217.in-addr.arpa)
2020-11-19 16:48:23 <larou> its the "and so on" thats the monadic recursion
2020-11-19 16:49:01 <larou> nodes, that internally, are graphs of functions
2020-11-19 16:49:11 <larou> the "nets as neurons" monad
2020-11-19 16:49:14 × Feuermagier quits (~Feuermagi@213.178.26.41) (Remote host closed the connection)
2020-11-19 16:49:36 <larou> you partition the program any which way into functions, depending on how you define them and with synonyms
2020-11-19 16:49:43 <larou> or unpartition it
2020-11-19 16:49:47 <larou> thats cobind and bind
2020-11-19 16:50:08 <merijn> Just because you call them that, doesn't mean they obey the monad laws
2020-11-19 16:50:15 <larou> yeah but they do though
2020-11-19 16:50:37 <larou> in the same way a tree is
2020-11-19 16:50:47 <larou> i guess i need them to be nonempty etc
2020-11-19 16:50:58 <larou> but yeah, theres a monad there, no doubt
2020-11-19 16:51:18 <larou> anyway, thats not the fun part
2020-11-19 16:51:21 alp joins (~alp@2a01:e0a:58b:4920:e0d5:8136:ac9f:8cb7)
2020-11-19 16:51:35 <larou> the spark states get "hidden" when you package them into a state function wrapper placed on the net
2020-11-19 16:51:52 <larou> because the net can handle state functions, so the sparks just get absorbed by that machinery
2020-11-19 16:52:00 <larou> you get new nodes to the graph
2020-11-19 16:52:29 <merijn> I suggest writing a blogpost, rather than writing a novel in a channel meant for discussion
2020-11-19 16:52:42 <larou> the spark cycles, end up at an input and output terminus, that stores the spark state, and can be written to and read from
2020-11-19 16:52:59 × cocreature quits (~cocreatur@eirene.uberspace.de) (Remote host closed the connection)
2020-11-19 16:53:05 <larou> merijn: thanks for keeping me on track.
2020-11-19 16:53:21 cocreature joins (~cocreatur@eirene.uberspace.de)
2020-11-19 16:53:22 <larou> i have presented these new trees
2020-11-19 16:55:22 × mananamenos quits (~mananamen@84.122.202.215.dyn.user.ono.com) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2020-11-19 16:55:33 <larou> anyway, all this stuff to do with new nodes for the sparks when the nets handle state functions on the nodes - is just the next part of the todo - and is just to say what i have shown does not yet do
2020-11-19 16:55:46 <larou> so far it just checks to see that the sparks provided are correct
2020-11-19 16:55:56 <larou> so you cant make it wrong!
2020-11-19 16:56:04 <larou> almost as good as making it right...
2020-11-19 16:56:41 <larou> you basically just have to be sure the edges you define dont cause a cycle
2020-11-19 16:56:50 <larou> but it will tell you if there is
2020-11-19 16:57:27 <larou> the only thing worth discussing really is the fact we have a new notion of tree
2020-11-19 16:57:36 <larou> not, how far i am at making it better
2020-11-19 16:57:50 <larou> what i show completely defines it
2020-11-19 16:58:07 <larou> but many other implementations of the same idea exist
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2020-11-19 17:00:02 he9388 joins (2fe3e53b@047-227-229-059.res.spectrum.com)
2020-11-19 17:00:28 <he9388> Hi everyone, I'm trying to install the Haskell extension for VSCode, and I'm getting the error "Couldn't figure out what GHC version the project is using"
2020-11-19 17:00:43 oish joins (~charlie@228.25.169.217.in-addr.arpa)
2020-11-19 17:00:48 <he9388> I couldn't figure out what's the issue. Can anyone give a pointer? Thanks a lot.
2020-11-19 17:01:04 <merijn> are you using stack or cabal?
2020-11-19 17:01:17 <he9388> Cabal
2020-11-19 17:01:32 <he9388> Or I believe so at least...
2020-11-19 17:01:35 <merijn> he9388: Is GHC in your path?
2020-11-19 17:01:51 <he9388> Which path?
2020-11-19 17:01:57 <he9388> Sorry, I am beginner :)

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