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2020-11-01 21:40:01 hackage integer-logarithms 1.0.3.1 - Integer logarithms. https://hackage.haskell.org/package/integer-logarithms-1.0.3.1 (phadej)
2020-11-01 21:41:18 <Tuplanolla> I hope to be pleasantly surprised when I pick Haskell up again.
2020-11-01 21:43:18 <[exa]> If you could change one thing about Haskell, what would it be?
2020-11-01 21:43:26 <[exa]> "one more compiler"
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2020-11-01 21:44:15 <Tuplanolla> I want easily predictable performance from the compiler and the executables it produces.
2020-11-01 21:44:33 <hpc> both-directions-typesafe rust ffi
2020-11-01 21:44:35 <Tuplanolla> (Note that I did not say "good performance".)
2020-11-01 21:44:52 <hpc> (importing haskell in rust, and importing rust in haskell)
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2020-11-01 21:49:33 <maerwald> Tuplanolla: I'm not sure easily predictable performance is even possible with lazy evaluation
2020-11-01 21:49:50 <maerwald> so it might not just be a compiler issue, but a language limitation
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2020-11-01 21:51:24 <Tuplanolla> Indeed.
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2020-11-01 21:52:00 <Tuplanolla> That's the one thing I would change.
2020-11-01 21:52:09 <maerwald> lenient evaluation?
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2020-11-01 21:54:53 <Tuplanolla> Get rid of lazy evaluation, if that's what it calls for.
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2020-11-01 21:57:19 <davean> Tuplanolla: why would you want that?
2020-11-01 21:57:26 <davean> Tuplanolla: You'd just want worse performance?
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2020-11-01 22:00:45 <Tuplanolla> I don't like surprises.
2020-11-01 22:01:28 <davean> Tuplanolla: vs. only good surprises?
2020-11-01 22:02:07 <Tuplanolla> That's not realistic.
2020-11-01 22:03:22 <hoppfull> I'm having some challenges with template haskell. I want to run a side effect during compilation. I know template haskell should be a last resort but it's an important part of my toolbox. I want to read a decode a json file and have its value checked and instantiated at compile time. So I have an effect loadmyfile :: IO MyType. I want to turn it
2020-11-01 22:03:22 <hoppfull> into MyType. So I was thinking I need to call $$(runIO loadmyfile) but I get error Expected type: Q (TExp HelloConfig) Actual type: Q HelloConfig. I don't know how to solve this.
2020-11-01 22:04:00 hackage bitcoind-rpc 0.2.0.0 - A streamlined interface to bitcoin core using Haskoin types and Servant https://hackage.haskell.org/package/bitcoind-rpc-0.2.0.0 (IanShipman)
2020-11-01 22:05:00 hackage bitcoind-regtest 0.2.0.0 - A library for working with bitcoin-core regtest networks https://hackage.haskell.org/package/bitcoind-regtest-0.2.0.0 (IanShipman)
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2020-11-01 22:05:43 <c_wraith> hoppfull: if you're on a sufficiently new ghc, https://hackage.haskell.org/package/template-haskell-2.16.0.0/docs/Language-Haskell-TH-Syntax.html#v:liftTyped
2020-11-01 22:07:16 <c_wraith> hoppfull: if you're not on a sufficiently new version of GHC, you can combine lift (right above that) with the TExp constructor
2020-11-01 22:07:43 <koz_> If I'm trying to push a revision, what does this response from Hackage mean? 'The new x-revision must be 1'
2020-11-01 22:07:49 <hoppfull> c_wraith, thank you, I just created a new project and have lts-16.20. I think it's GHC-8.8.2
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2020-11-01 22:39:09 <davean> Tuplanolla: In my experience I can calculate performance as "How fast would the strict version be, ok thats the slowest it can be"
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2020-11-01 22:40:08 <Tuplanolla> You have never used the lazy state transformer by accident?
2020-11-01 22:40:51 <davean> No?
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2020-11-01 22:42:23 <Tuplanolla> It's really easy to accumulate thunks with it, until you run out of working memory.
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2020-11-01 22:52:15 <dolio> I accidentally did that once like 15 years ago when I was first learning. Then it hasn't been a serious problem since.
2020-11-01 22:55:17 <davean> Also they're *semanticly* different
2020-11-01 22:55:24 <davean> so You just can't have the one when you're using the other
2020-11-01 22:55:30 <davean> Thats litterly different *meaning* of code
2020-11-01 22:55:47 <davean> So sure, if you implimented the Lazy State in strict, it also would perform the same way
2020-11-01 22:55:50 <davean> ask for what you mean
2020-11-01 22:55:52 <davean> thats ... all?
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