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2020-11-10 19:04:31 hackage polysemy-extra 0.1.1.0 - Extra Input and Output functions for polysemy.. https://hackage.haskell.org/package/polysemy-extra-0.1.1.0 (locallycompact)
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2020-11-10 19:36:55 <samlamamma> I currently install ghc through my distro's package manager. Can you instead use Cabal or Stackage to upgrade ghc? My ghc gets updated quite slowly
2020-11-10 19:37:15 <maerwald> samlamamma: https://www.haskell.org/ghcup/
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2020-11-10 19:37:49 <geekosaur> not presently, but there's ghcup. or stack can install ghc for its own use, and you can get to it indirectly via stack exec
2020-11-10 19:39:11 <geekosaur> ghcup is probably the best way currently
2020-11-10 19:39:32 <maerwald> merijn: I'm not too convinced of lenient. So all it gives over strict is recursively defined data structures. Then again, I see papers solving that problem in strict languages anyway
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2020-11-10 19:41:37 <samlamamma> Thank you! Currently installing :-)
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2020-11-10 19:42:09 <maerwald> and the paper makes a few good argument pro lazy, in fact
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2020-11-10 19:44:25 <maerwald> evaluating arguments in parallel sounds like a cool thing though
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2020-11-10 19:46:27 <dminuoso> maerwald: In principle, that's non-strictness though.
2020-11-10 19:46:32 <maerwald> yes
2020-11-10 19:46:36 <maerwald> lenient is non-strict
2020-11-10 19:46:44 <dminuoso> Right, Im just saying GHC could do this as well
2020-11-10 19:46:50 <maerwald> potentially
2020-11-10 19:47:05 <dminuoso> The language has considerations for that, in fact.
2020-11-10 19:47:11 <maerwald> But the error behavior would be more like a strict language that a lazy one
2020-11-10 19:47:19 <maerwald> *than
2020-11-10 19:47:30 <dminuoso> The way seq is defined for instance, does not guarantee that in x `seq` y x is forced *before* y.
2020-11-10 19:47:44 <dminuoso> The report is very careful in that regard, as is the ghc/base implementation
2020-11-10 19:48:08 <dminuoso> (That was done to allow for implementations speculatively forcing x)
2020-11-10 19:48:14 <dminuoso> perhaps in parallel
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2020-11-10 19:52:02 <samlamamma> Quick question: ghcup asked me if I wanted haskell language server, I said YES. Then I updated my ghc using ghcup, do I then also need to update HLS through ghcup?
2020-11-10 19:52:46 <maerwald> samlamamma: it manages HLS too, yes
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2020-11-10 19:53:16 <maerwald> I don't think hls currently has a self-updater either
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2020-11-10 19:57:42 <samlamamma> Yeah, I was just confused because it said the latest version was installed of HLS. Turns out it downloaded all of the binaries of HLS for the varying GHCs that it supports
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2020-11-10 19:57:56 <maerwald> yes
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2020-11-10 19:59:02 <samlamamma> OK, gonna restart Emacs and try out HLS :-)!
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