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2020-11-24 15:46:54 <dminuoso> Feel free to open an issue on ghc gitlab about this
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2020-11-24 15:47:43 <dminuoso> The idea is certainly not unreasonable, especially given how frequently we get people thinking that instance context is taken into consideration for instance selection, just to trip into GHC diagnostics or surprising bugs.
2020-11-24 15:48:15 <arianvp> :+1:
2020-11-24 15:48:21 <arianvp> i'll try to not forget to open a ticket :)
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2020-11-24 15:50:11 <Uniaika> lambdabot needs a !remindme
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2020-11-24 16:02:00 hackage cli-git 0.1.0.1 - Bindings to the git command-line interface https://hackage.haskell.org/package/cli-git-0.1.0.1 (abrar)
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2020-11-24 16:06:30 hackage cli-nix 0.1.0.1 - Bindings to the nix command-line interface https://hackage.haskell.org/package/cli-nix-0.1.0.1 (abrar)
2020-11-24 16:07:31 <Taneb> Is there a way to make GHC start profiling a program at a certain point? I've got a program with an expensive one-time setup followed by a loop that I want to opimize the hell out of
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2020-11-24 16:07:41 <merijn> Taneb: Yes!
2020-11-24 16:08:11 <merijn> Taneb: https://hackage.haskell.org/package/base-4.14.0.0/docs/GHC-Profiling.html#v:startProfTimer
2020-11-24 16:08:30 <Taneb> Oooh, nice
2020-11-24 16:08:55 <merijn> Taneb: Consider also: https://hackage.haskell.org/package/base-4.14.0.0/docs/GHC-Exts.html#v:traceMarker-35-
2020-11-24 16:09:31 <merijn> If you hack up mpickering's hs-speedscope to be trace marker aware (if it isn't yet?) then you can use that with speedscope
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2020-11-24 16:12:06 <mpickering> merijn: You can isolate a profile between two markers with the 0.2 release
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2020-11-24 16:16:28 <merijn> Taneb: Well, there you go ;)
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2020-11-24 16:23:13 <Raman> question from a haskell newbee --- how do experienced haskell programmers pronounce the "=>" as it appears in type declarations?
2020-11-24 16:26:31 <monochrom> I don't pronounce it at all.
2020-11-24 16:27:03 <Raman> :-) asking because I would like to teach Emacs to speak haskell to me (https://github.com/tvraman/emacspeak)
2020-11-24 16:27:18 <xerox_> an extra long pause before reading the rest of the type
2020-11-24 16:27:56 <Raman> a long line like => (a->b->c) ->...can sound pretty mysterious when spoken by TTS;-) haskell mode helps some with emacspeak given font-lock which I map to voice changes.
2020-11-24 16:28:41 <Raman> pause sounds interesting, for now I have it saying "is type of" which likely is good for a beginner but will get long soon enough
2020-11-24 16:29:27 <monochrom> => is ASCII art for ⇒, do you have a favourite name for that?
2020-11-24 16:29:33 <Raman> if I get far enough along with Haskell, I'm hoping to write a simple audio-formatter in haskell fo rhaskell, will come asking for pointers if I make it that far
2020-11-24 16:29:59 <Raman> I could say double-arrow I suppose -- already saying "arrow" for ->
2020-11-24 16:30:24 <monochrom> That's a good solution.
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2020-11-24 16:30:48 <merijn> Raman: constraint or implication wouldn't be quite accurate, could be reasonable
2020-11-24 16:30:57 <[exa]> Raman: I'd read that as 'implies' but it's more like a reverse prolog :- which I have no idea how to read
2020-11-24 16:31:14 <Raman> will try various of these out over the next few weeks as I continue to learn. I assume that when the time comes there are haskell lib that can parse haskell code to give me back some type of AST?
2020-11-24 16:31:25 <merijn> I mean, in terms of speaking "constrains" might be useful
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2020-11-24 16:31:52 <merijn> Like "Ord a constrains a -> a -> Bool" for "Ord a => a -> a -> Bool" seems decent
2020-11-24 16:32:04 <[exa]> yeah 'implies' sounds curry-howardish in this context
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2020-11-24 16:32:06 <Raman> :-) gets spoken as smiley by emacspeak -- I remember finding some page on the web 15 years ago approx that listed ascii combinations for popular emoji
2020-11-24 16:32:27 <merijn> Raman: I mean, technically GHC itself is a library that can give you an AST :p
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2020-11-24 16:33:56 <Raman> that's good to know -- asume for now that I know nothing (which is pretty much true re haskell) working through the realworld haskell book, have it open in emacs, along with a bunch of haskell-mode buffers and an inferior-haskell buffer. Also have lambdabot running in a separate emacs buffer after I embarrassed myself here yesterday and had it say rude things in response:-)
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2020-11-24 16:34:24 <Raman> AFK, back in a few. I'll see responses when I come back
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2020-11-24 16:35:31 <[exa]> woah, lambdabot action I missed? /me opens logs
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2020-11-24 16:37:39 <woodpecker-with-> How's the performance of the AD library?
2020-11-24 16:37:53 <woodpecker-with-> Any benchmarks?
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2020-11-24 16:46:37 <Iceland_jack> hi Uniaika
2020-11-24 16:46:38 <davean> woodpecker-with-: its good.
2020-11-24 16:46:46 <Iceland_jack> making soup
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2020-11-24 16:47:25 <davean> woodpecker-with-: if its optimized for what you want or not is another question.
2020-11-24 16:48:00 hackage reflex-external-ref 1.0.3.0 - External reference with reactivity support https://hackage.haskell.org/package/reflex-external-ref-1.0.3.0 (NCrashed)
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