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| 2020-11-11 16:00:39 | <maerwald> | merijn: it isn't complicated, the API is nice... but if you get errors, then pray to god |
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| 2020-11-11 16:01:13 | <merijn> | maerwald: By complicated I didn't necessarily mean "to use" |
| 2020-11-11 16:01:19 | <maerwald> | I found it surprisingly intuitive, compared to other stuff I tried (like freer) |
| 2020-11-11 16:01:20 | <merijn> | maerwald: But it's implementation |
| 2020-11-11 16:01:23 | <maerwald> | yeah |
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| 2020-11-11 16:01:39 | <merijn> | I'm not convinced it justifies it's "weight" |
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| 2020-11-11 16:02:03 | <maerwald> | freer took 4 months effort for ppl to figure out how to do some basic IO |
| 2020-11-11 16:02:06 | <maerwald> | xD |
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| 2020-11-11 16:02:33 | <maerwald> | or was it longer: https://gitlab.com/queertypes/freer/-/issues/7 |
| 2020-11-11 16:02:34 | <merijn> | I'm in the "just use IO" camp anyway |
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| 2020-11-11 16:03:45 | <maerwald> | I tried mtl style, but when I look at the type signatures, I know as much as IO, which says "well, there might be some effects" |
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| 2020-11-11 16:04:04 | <dminuoso> | "queertypes" :) |
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| 2020-11-11 16:05:16 | <dminuoso> | Im curious, it has been my observation that the LGTB scene is very prominent in functional programming. |
| 2020-11-11 16:05:18 | <dminuoso> | Why is that? |
| 2020-11-11 16:05:27 | <merijn> | maerwald: https://twitter.com/k0001/status/1295846402648682496 |
| 2020-11-11 16:05:44 | <pjb> | dminuoso: we're too successful, so they try to distract us. |
| 2020-11-11 16:05:52 | <Taneb> | dminuoso: I think it's "people who feel like outsiders but can't explain why growing up tend to gravitate towards niche interests" |
| 2020-11-11 16:06:00 | <dminuoso> | Are people in functional programming just more honest about themselves, as they are about their programs? |
| 2020-11-11 16:06:17 | <dminuoso> | Taneb: Mmm |
| 2020-11-11 16:06:21 | <bqv> | dminuoso: i imagine it's also partially just that tech is very lgbt |
| 2020-11-11 16:06:25 | <pjb> | nope it's a minority of psyops. |
| 2020-11-11 16:06:45 | <pjb> | Look the time we lose on those questions instead of on haskell!!! |
| 2020-11-11 16:07:09 | <Taneb> | pjb: clearly all the questions about Haskell have already been answered ;) |
| 2020-11-11 16:07:14 | <dolio> | The premise didn't really make sense to me when I read something about it. It was like, "someone said free monads are slow, but if you do a ton of work optimizing them they won't be." Which doesn't sound like an argument for designing everything around that. :) |
| 2020-11-11 16:08:01 | <dminuoso> | Taneb: So I'd find more LGTB folks generally in niche interests/fields/hobbies? |
| 2020-11-11 16:08:37 | <pjb> | It's just a psyop to eliminate the best from the gene pool. |
| 2020-11-11 16:08:37 | <Taneb> | dminuoso: I believe, with admittedly only anecodtal evidence, that's the case |
| 2020-11-11 16:08:51 | <dolio> | Like, that seems predicated on already being in the 'free monads are the best thing ever and should be used for everything' camp. |
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| 2020-11-11 16:10:00 | <dminuoso> | Taneb: The question though, why would they gravitate towards niche interests? |
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| 2020-11-11 16:10:30 | hackage | clckwrks 0.26.3 - A secure, reliable content management system (CMS) and blogging platform https://hackage.haskell.org/package/clckwrks-0.26.3 (JeremyShaw) |
| 2020-11-11 16:10:32 | <Taneb> | dminuoso: because we don't tend to feel we fit in with mainstream stuff |
| 2020-11-11 16:11:04 | <bqv> | if you allow for transitivity, people with more autistic traits will always gravitate to niche interests, and people with autism are clinically significantly more likely to have an unusual relationship with sexuality/gender |
| 2020-11-11 16:11:21 | <dminuoso> | bqv: Can you cite any publications on that? |
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| 2020-11-11 16:11:40 | <bqv> | not off the top of my head, but i can guarantee it won't be hard to find one |
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| 2020-11-11 16:11:47 | <bqv> | it's well known |
| 2020-11-11 16:11:53 | <dminuoso> | How scientific |
| 2020-11-11 16:11:55 | <dminuoso> | "It's well known" |
| 2020-11-11 16:12:11 | <bqv> | by "it's well known" i mean i see people throwing new papers around about it all the time |
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| 2020-11-11 16:12:20 | <bqv> | not that "it's something i saw on facebook" |
| 2020-11-11 16:12:21 | <dminuoso> | Fair enough, I just dont read those review papers |
| 2020-11-11 16:12:27 | <p0a> | Hello when I read tutorials/books there's typically many versions of a function presented (improvements) |
| 2020-11-11 16:12:51 | <p0a> | How can I have multiple versions in my project? I typically set up a project where I test/learn the code I'm reading |
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| 2020-11-11 16:13:09 | <p0a> | Should I just have multiple files under src/ (stack projects) |
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| 2020-11-11 16:13:21 | <p0a> | That works right? |
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| 2020-11-11 16:14:30 | hackage | phonetic-languages-constaints 0.2.0.0 - Constraints to filter the needed permutations https://hackage.haskell.org/package/phonetic-languages-constaints-0.2.0.0 (OleksandrZhabenko) |
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| 2020-11-11 16:14:54 | <merijn> | p0a: Well, you can also just have them in the same file, just named differently |
| 2020-11-11 16:15:09 | <bqv> | dminuoso: here's two from the UK national autism society site: |
| 2020-11-11 16:15:21 | <bqv> | https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30392630/ |
| 2020-11-11 16:15:22 | <dminuoso> | Taneb: One additional thing that I kept thinking of, was whether it's also that functional programming generally attracts an audience of more educated, intelligent and open minded people. |
| 2020-11-11 16:15:24 | <bqv> | https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26753812/ |
| 2020-11-11 16:15:36 | <dminuoso> | Such that they're more friendly and accepting |
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| 2020-11-11 16:16:00 | <dminuoso> | This seems to hold true especially of Haskell, based on my observations in this and other communities, as well as various meetups |
| 2020-11-11 16:16:01 | <merijn> | dminuoso: Or, maybe it's selection bias from who shapr badgered into joining when he started #haskell :p |
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| 2020-11-11 16:16:33 | <bqv> | yeah i do think you have a sampling problem |
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| 2020-11-11 16:17:55 | <Uniaika> | I've seen a lot of LGBT and neuroatypical people in the areas of FP and nice hardware hacking |
| 2020-11-11 16:17:58 | <Uniaika> | *niche |
| 2020-11-11 16:17:59 | <Uniaika> | bleh |
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| 2020-11-11 16:18:27 | <maerwald> | neuroatypical... :D |
| 2020-11-11 16:18:33 | maerwald | pretends to be normal |
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| 2020-11-11 16:19:04 | <Uniaika> | maerwald: what, you're not wearing a blue tie doing Java at IBM! How quaint! |
| 2020-11-11 16:19:21 | <maerwald> | well, my random observation was that ppl at the rust meetup in berlin were pretty... shy? |
| 2020-11-11 16:19:33 | <maerwald> | In haskell meetups I felt that less so |
| 2020-11-11 16:19:39 | p0a | hates meetups |
| 2020-11-11 16:20:01 | <maerwald> | but then again... there were actual rustc devs at the meetup |
| 2020-11-11 16:20:16 | <maerwald> | *panic attack* |
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