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| 2022-08-24 15:19:54 | <Solid> | liskin, geekosaur, mc47: how about 0.17.1 next weekend? |
| 2022-08-24 15:20:10 | <geekosaur> | sounds good to me |
| 2022-08-24 15:20:18 | <Solid> | I think all of the major stuff is taken care of (and maybe it'll motivate liskin to work on what he still wants to get in :>) |
| 2022-08-24 15:20:20 | <geekosaur> | but I don't think I was ever the sticking point 🙂 |
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| 2022-08-24 15:55:15 | <liskin> | Solid: if next weekend means sep 3-4 then I think I should be able to be around and help |
| 2022-08-24 15:56:42 | <liskin> | there doesn't seem to be any issues milestoned for 0.17.1 if I'm looking correctly, so good to go probably |
| 2022-08-24 15:57:00 | <liskin> | I don't think there's anything I personally want to get in before that |
| 2022-08-24 15:58:44 | <liskin> | there might be some open PRs which aren't finished, there's some stuff in my dotfiles that I'd like to upstream eventually but there's absolutely nothing actually motivating me to do so sooner rather than later, and then there's the ConditionalLayout(Modifier) stuff which people have been asking for but I don't think I can realistically get to that this month/year anyway |
| 2022-08-24 15:59:21 | <geekosaur> | might be better suited for 0.18 anyway |
| 2022-08-24 15:59:53 | <geekosaur> | whereas 0.17.1 should go out for the ghc 9.2 workaround if nothing else |
| 2022-08-24 16:00:26 | <liskin> | I have to admit that even ignoring my work tasks, my personal taskwarrior is full (like several screens full) of stuff that has a potential to actually improve my day-to-day life none of which are xmonad-related as that just works :-/ |
| 2022-08-24 16:00:57 | <liskin> | so at this point it'd be me taking a vacation to do xmonad-related chores :-/ |
| 2022-08-24 16:01:04 | <liskin> | s/vacation/holiday/ |
| 2022-08-24 16:01:34 | <liskin> | (why do I keep making this stupid mistake instead of just using the unamiguous "time off"?) |
| 2022-08-24 16:28:13 | <Solid> | liskin: yeah Sep 3–4 is what I was thinking |
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| 2022-08-24 19:05:49 | <liskin> | Solid: it's in my calendar then |
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| 2022-08-25 06:36:31 | <mc47> | Solid I can do stuff during the week, not really on the weekend. Pretty crazy times for me currently, I things to slow down a bit |
| 2022-08-25 07:03:20 | <Solid> | mc47: no worries, I don't think there anything big to do anyways |
| 2022-08-25 07:03:24 | <Solid> | when in doubt, just relax :) |
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| 2022-08-25 07:29:41 | <nrv> | Hey there. Can i make xmonad view/warp to workspace with window that sent notification, when i click that notification? |
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| 2022-08-25 08:09:25 | <dminuoso> | In principle yes |
| 2022-08-25 08:09:40 | <dminuoso> | That is, with some engineering you can do it. |
| 2022-08-25 08:11:28 | <dminuoso> | You would need a custom urgency hook that forwards the window information to your notification mechanism, provide some RPC control to your notification mechanism that, when interacted with, can tell xmonad to change its stackset accordingly |
| 2022-08-25 08:14:38 | <dminuoso> | Unless of course you use some notification mechanism right inside XMonad |
| 2022-08-25 08:15:11 | <dminuoso> | Im not entirely sure what kind of interactive elements xmonad-contrib comes with |
| 2022-08-25 08:17:37 | <dminuoso> | nrv: I suppose what you *could* reasonably do, is use readUrgents + XMonad.Prompt to provide you a list with urgent windows, and then you can just select which one to go to |
| 2022-08-25 08:17:51 | <dminuoso> | Without much effort |
| 2022-08-25 08:22:34 | <liskin> | but then most apps already set an action for the notifications they send, and when that action is activated, the window requests to be activated |
| 2022-08-25 08:23:11 | <liskin> | so with current xmonad and current chrome/firefox and current dunst stuff just works out of the box |
| 2022-08-25 08:24:08 | <liskin> | (we had a brief period of ignoring activation requests in xmonad, but now it's a default with ewmh and ignoring is an optional feature that can be configured using a hook) |
| 2022-08-25 08:26:15 | <dminuoso> | ah |
| 2022-08-25 08:30:43 | <nrv> | Oh, that's surprising, firefox really warps out of the box |
| 2022-08-25 08:31:13 | <dminuoso> | liskin: How exactly does that work, then? |
| 2022-08-25 08:31:25 | <nrv> | I guess that's problem of telegram, from which i'm getting notifications most often |
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| 2022-08-25 08:35:26 | <nrv> | dminuoso: probably like this it seems https://hackage.haskell.org/package/xmonad-contrib-0.16/docs/src/XMonad.Hooks.EwmhDesktops.html#handle |
| 2022-08-25 08:36:11 | <liskin> | dminuoso: freedesktop notifications api over dbus gives you back an id and you can listen for user's interaction with the notification, and you can also add more actions than just a click (like for bluetooth pairing/transfers there's "Accept" and "Reject" for example); once the browser gets notified of an action/click, it can ask for focus using EWMH, which involves sending a _NET_ACTIVE_WINDOW |
| 2022-08-25 08:36:13 | <liskin> | ClientMessage event, and xmonad handles that |
| 2022-08-25 08:36:19 | <nrv> | So, if that's problem with telegram, can i hack that "activation" in there somehow? |
| 2022-08-25 08:36:30 | <nrv> | Without forking it ofc |
| 2022-08-25 08:38:45 | <liskin> | can't think of an easy way to do that :-/ |
| 2022-08-25 08:39:29 | <liskin> | perhaps dunst has a way to attach hooks to notifications? I think it didn't have that but there were issues/prs for that so maybe now it does |
| 2022-08-25 08:39:40 | <dminuoso> | liskin: But _NET_ACTIVE_WINDOW gives a window essentially full control over its own focus, right? |
| 2022-08-25 08:40:02 | <dminuoso> | meaning, if that application decides, even without notifications, to just grab focus while Im trying in a password |
| 2022-08-25 08:40:12 | <dminuoso> | By just sending _NET_ACTIVE_WINDOW at any time |
| 2022-08-25 08:40:39 | <liskin> | yeah, sure, and there are other ways in X11 to steal focus even without the window manager's involvement |
| 2022-08-25 08:40:51 | <liskin> | X isn't meant to run untrusted clients |
| 2022-08-25 08:41:02 | <dminuoso> | "run untrusted clients" |
| 2022-08-25 08:41:10 | <liskin> | that's one of the core reasons to switch to wayland |
| 2022-08-25 08:41:19 | <dminuoso> | There's never been "trusted clients", as if people have ever audited even 10% of the code they run on their machiens. |
| 2022-08-25 08:41:24 | <dminuoso> | :) |
| 2022-08-25 08:41:58 | <dminuoso> | Yeah, but I dont have xmonad on wayland. :( |
| 2022-08-25 08:42:03 | <dminuoso> | Priorities... |
| 2022-08-25 08:42:24 | <liskin> | yeah if you want/need everything to be perfect then you're in for a bad time |
| 2022-08-25 08:48:01 | <nrv> | liskin even if it had, how can i then implement activation? |
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