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| 2021-10-05 11:33:24 | <liskin> | oh, looks like shitoberfest is here (#614) :-D |
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| 2021-10-05 12:05:16 | <Solid> | oh, is it one of those? |
| 2021-10-05 12:05:28 | <Solid> | I thought they were making an actual effort :( |
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| 2021-10-05 13:08:55 | <liskin> | well, they may as well be; they opened a couple issues on other repos and while all are about READMEs, it's not just a template, it is personalized |
| 2021-10-05 13:10:55 | <liskin> | and I'm not sure if mentoring complete beginners who may need a couple more years to get into Haskell is worth it at this point of the project, so I'd say it's somewhat fair to call it shitoberfest, although maybe not entirely fair |
| 2021-10-05 13:11:57 | <liskin> | (but I'm not complaining or anything, it was just an amused remark; I really don't think we're the kind of project that's likely to attract dozens of useless single-word PRs) |
| 2021-10-05 13:12:32 | <Solid> | yeah I just checked their profile ._. |
| 2021-10-05 13:13:36 | <Solid> | but realistically, xmonad's code base does not use many fancy techniques, I reckon it wouldn't take all that long for a dedicated beginner to start contributing |
| 2021-10-05 13:13:48 | <Solid> | (not applicable in this case, of course, but still) |
| 2021-10-05 13:14:28 | <geekosaur> | I'd argue that we could use a dedicated beginner to overhaul the docs a bit. just don't think that's a very good start |
| 2021-10-05 13:14:46 | <geekosaur> | (and the bloody wiki) |
| 2021-10-05 13:16:28 | <geekosaur> | I mean, some of the contrib docs could use a fair amount of love |
| 2021-10-05 13:18:34 | <liskin> | yeah, that's probably right, a dedicated talented (e.g.) 15-year old can get a lot of stuff done, true |
| 2021-10-05 13:19:01 | <liskin> | now if only any of us were able to actually attract such a person :-) |
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| 2021-10-05 13:23:20 | <TORRENTER[m]> | Distrotube on YT attracts a lot of younger people to XMonad |
| 2021-10-05 13:23:30 | <TORRENTER[m]> | I don't know about "a lot" though |
| 2021-10-05 13:26:43 | <Tisoxin> | > <@vherrmann:shmerver.de> ```... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/4a813d215fddbf4be2bac108146f7f322885156a) |
| 2021-10-05 13:26:44 | <lambdabot> | <hint>:1:1: error: parse error on input ‘<@’ |
| 2021-10-05 13:27:17 | <Tisoxin> | correct would be `show n ++ " $HOME/.config"` |
| 2021-10-05 13:28:12 | <Tisoxin> | <liskin> "yeah, that's probably right, a..." <- i wish i was 15-years old, i'd have so much time |
| 2021-10-05 13:29:34 | <Tisoxin> | <jakefromstatefarm[m]> "Yay, got overlays working. I had..." <- *very interested* |
| 2021-10-05 13:30:38 | <geekosaur> | Tisoxin, wish I'd been around before, I spottred that one almost immediately :) |
| 2021-10-05 13:30:38 | <Tisoxin> | atm i have a flake with xmonad and xmonad-contrib as inputs and just use `nix develop` to get an environment to recompile xmonad |
| 2021-10-05 13:30:56 | <geekosaur> | gotta be careful with those spaces |
| 2021-10-05 13:32:22 | <Tisoxin> | <geekosaur> "PATH issues are all I can..." <- geekosaur: tbh i don't think you'd have spotted it ↑ |
| 2021-10-05 13:32:41 | <geekosaur> | hm |
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| 2021-10-05 13:36:29 | <Tisoxin> | (I'm not sure if you checked the code snippet, since i posted it a bit earlier) |
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| 2021-10-05 14:13:57 | <jakefromstatefar> | <vherrmann[m]> "atm i have a flake with xmonad..." <- I'll be using nix develop for, well, developing. But for actual use, it's nice to have an overlay for hm+/flakes. |
| 2021-10-05 14:18:16 | <Solid> | TORRENTER[m] | Distrotube on YT attracts a lot of younger people to XMonad << sadly, the youngin's that are attracted don't appear to stick around for that long :/ (not that other people do either) |
| 2021-10-05 14:18:37 | <jakefromstatefar> | (heh, then there's me) |
| 2021-10-05 14:25:33 | <liskin> | Maybe if we (and by that I mean myself) were more welcoming, they'd have stuck longer. I am quite aware that I was quite pedantic towards both oogeek and auscyberman. I thought and still think my expectations of their pace of improvement were reasonable, but I also acknoledge that other people/communities may handle this better. |
| 2021-10-05 14:26:32 | <Tisoxin> | > <@jakefromstatefarm[m]:libera.chat> > <@vherrmann[m]:libera.chat> atm i have a flake with xmonad and xmonad-contrib as inputs and just use `nix develop` to get an environment to recompile xmonad |
| 2021-10-05 14:26:32 | <Tisoxin> | > |
| 2021-10-05 14:26:32 | <Tisoxin> | > I'll be using nix develop for, well, developing. But for actual use, it's nice to have an overlay for hm+/flakes. |
| 2021-10-05 14:26:32 | <Tisoxin> | do you have a public config? |
| 2021-10-05 14:26:34 | <lambdabot> | <hint>:1:1: error: parse error on input ‘<@’ |
| 2021-10-05 14:26:34 | <lambdabot> | <hint>:1:30: error: parse error on input ‘,’ |
| 2021-10-05 14:29:44 | <jakefromstatefar> | vherrmann[m]: https://gitlab.com/mikenrafter/config/-/blob/master/nix/flake.nix |
| 2021-10-05 14:30:27 | <jakefromstatefar> | My config is not directly cloneable yet. |
| 2021-10-05 14:30:35 | <jakefromstatefar> | There's some weird quirks I have to iron out. |
| 2021-10-05 14:30:40 | <jakefromstatefar> | But, you're free to take a look. |
| 2021-10-05 14:47:53 | <geekosaur> | folks who are well out there on the spectrum are rarely the best at mentoring newcomers (and I'm looking in a mirror as I say this…) |
| 2021-10-05 14:48:53 | <geekosaur> | (being nearly 60 means I know my shortcomings all too well. it does not mean I have the faintest freaking clue what to do about them) |
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| 2021-10-05 14:51:29 | <Solid> | liskin: with those two in particular I felt like the expectations were reasonable enough |
| 2021-10-05 14:51:44 | <Solid> | I think what was really missing was more interaction outside of PRs via IRC or matrix |
| 2021-10-05 14:51:53 | <Solid> | this would probably have helped on multiple fronts |
| 2021-10-05 15:01:05 | <liskin> | yeah, I guess I should prioritise updating CONTRIBUTING.md to make it very clear that we like to chat |
| 2021-10-05 15:01:22 | <liskin> | (and also that we don't really insist on squashing commits in PR any more :-)) |
| 2021-10-05 15:05:46 | <eezo[m]> | <liskin> "Maybe if we (and by that I..." <- I'm sticking around mostly because my workplace is super flexible when it comes to work machines. If I couldn't use xmonad as my DD, I'm not sure I'd have the patience to get good at it - I have 2 young kids I have to worry about outside of business hours, so my time outside of work often isn't on my desktop |
| 2021-10-05 15:06:43 | <eezo[m]> | ngl though, DT heavily influenced my decision. I don't agree with him on some things, but I think he's right about XMonad. (ArcoLinux tho....meh) |
| 2021-10-05 15:07:18 | <eezo[m]> | (for me, Manjaro > ArcoLinux, but that's heavily influenced by my Opinions on how things Ought To Be Done) |
| 2021-10-05 15:17:47 | eezo[m] | uploaded an image: (28KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/zXlVoRSUswXDEzjbXKCcLwZJ/image.png > |
| 2021-10-05 15:17:48 | <eezo[m]> | btw, how do you make a good-performing "reverse" tall layout? That is, master on the right? I'm using `reflectHoriz Tall` as seen in my xmonad.hs screenshot: |
| 2021-10-05 15:18:31 | <eezo[m]> | but that makes movement backwards: `M-h` & `M-l` do the opposite of what I want |
| 2021-10-05 15:22:49 | <eezo[m]> | sorry, not movement - resizing |
| 2021-10-05 15:24:54 | geekosaur | wonders if you can reflectHoriz something involving https://hackage.haskell.org/package/xmonad-contrib-0.16/docs/XMonad-Layout-Master.html |
| 2021-10-05 15:27:16 | <Solid> | it might make more sense if you think of M-h and M-l not as "expand and shrink left to right" but as "expand and shrink the master pane" (which is what they do) |
| 2021-10-05 15:29:25 | <eezo[m]> | good point |
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| 2021-10-05 15:37:38 | liskin | uses REFLECTX from MultiToggle and it reverses everything, so not just resizing is messed up, but switching windows as well |
| 2021-10-05 15:38:37 | <liskin> | hence I don't actually use it very often, and when the number of windows is expected to be static, just increasing the number of windows in the master pane is probably what I end up doing :-) |
| 2021-10-05 15:38:58 | <jakefromstatefar> | vherrmann[m]: I forgot, my xmonad flake isn't in there, nor my locally cloned xmonad, see: https://p.bsd-unix.net/view/9401976f for the xmonad flake (the contrib flake is the same, just with `"xmonad-contrib"` instead of `"xmonad"` |
| 2021-10-05 15:39:49 | <Tisoxin> | thx |
| 2021-10-05 15:40:21 | <Solid> | what's going on with the nicknames btw; can you change your IRC display name in matrix? |
| 2021-10-05 15:42:01 | <Tisoxin> | Solid: yes, you cane |
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