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| 2024-12-16 21:36:44 | <Profpatsch> | Leary: the SideBorder type is not exported, I’m becoming the joker |
| 2024-12-16 21:38:38 | <geekosaur> | does it need to be? I thought sideBorder (note case) was a smart constructor; that's the usual convention for layouts, since many of them store state in the actual constructor |
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| 2024-12-16 21:40:20 | <Profpatsch> | {-# OPTIONS_GHC -Wno-missing-signatures #-} |
| 2024-12-16 21:40:49 | <Profpatsch> | fwiw GHC should disallow exporting a function without all its types being exposed |
| 2024-12-16 21:40:55 | <Profpatsch> | not talking about constructors ofcs |
| 2024-12-16 21:42:12 | <Profpatsch> | okay, I don’t know why I spent so much time trying to get xmonad to be configurable on the command line again X Error of failed request: BadAccess (attempt to access private resource denied) |
| 2024-12-16 21:42:29 | <geekosaur> | that means you're already running a window manager |
| 2024-12-16 21:42:37 | <Profpatsch> | what does that even mean |
| 2024-12-16 21:42:41 | <geekosaur> | yes, the error message is terrible |
| 2024-12-16 21:43:02 | <Profpatsch> | it’s running inside of lightdm |
| 2024-12-16 21:43:19 | <geekosaur> | and you expected that to work? |
| 2024-12-16 21:43:20 | <Profpatsch> | is that a window manager? |
| 2024-12-16 21:43:47 | <Profpatsch> | I thought it gives over control to xmonad but maybe it doesn’t? idk |
| 2024-12-16 21:44:17 | <Profpatsch> | maybe I didn’t use lightdm the last time I did the whole xmonad --replace |
| 2024-12-16 21:47:18 | <geekosaur> | Wait, no, was on my way out and misread |
| 2024-12-16 21:48:06 | <geekosaur> | It does sound like lightdm ran a different window manager |
| 2024-12-16 21:48:45 | <Profpatsch> | is that error message generated by the running xmonad? |
| 2024-12-16 21:48:51 | <Profpatsch> | or by something else? |
| 2024-12-16 21:49:43 | <geekosaur> | Anyway xmonad is a very minimal program and doesn't wrap X11 errors, so you get a bad error for "sorry, another window manager is running" |
| 2024-12-16 21:50:38 | <geekosaur> | It means xmonad tried to select window manager events and failed |
| 2024-12-16 21:52:23 | <geekosaur> | XSelectInput(root window, SubstructureRedirectMask), roughly |
| 2024-12-16 21:54:26 | <geekosaur> | (sorry, was typing on my phone while downstairs waiting for a package) |
| 2024-12-16 21:54:53 | <geekosaur> | X11 doesn't have a specific error for "another window manager is running", it reuses the one for "that's someone else's graphic context" |
| 2024-12-16 21:55:05 | <Profpatsch> | and that other window manager can’t be xmonad? |
| 2024-12-16 21:55:27 | <geekosaur> | and because X11 is asynchronous, xmonad doesn't receive that error until several operations after it attempts to select window manager events |
| 2024-12-16 21:55:29 | <Profpatsch> | Like if I run `xmonad --replace` that’s a different binary no? |
| 2024-12-16 21:55:40 | <Profpatsch> | how would it be the same thing |
| 2024-12-16 21:56:01 | <Profpatsch> | is there a magic window manager name that is used to dispatch? |
| 2024-12-16 21:56:31 | <Profpatsch> | geekosaur: thanks for the explanation btw, I’m kinda lost here :) |
| 2024-12-16 21:57:00 | <geekosaur> | no. "--replace" means attempt to use the WM handover protocol (grab the WM_S0 selection, which should cause the former holder to exit) |
| 2024-12-16 21:57:20 | <geekosaur> | there's a ticket to make that default behavior, but it relies on the other window manager supporting the protocol |
| 2024-12-16 21:57:45 | <geekosaur> | and, notably, xmonad doesn't support it itself unless started with --replace, which is a kinda stupid bug we've never fixed |
| 2024-12-16 21:57:57 | <geekosaur> | I suppose I shoudl haul that ticket out and fix it at some point |
| 2024-12-16 21:58:32 | <Profpatsch> | ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 2024-12-16 21:58:35 | <Profpatsch> | that’s the problem! |
| 2024-12-16 21:58:37 | <Profpatsch> | I see |
| 2024-12-16 21:58:50 | <Profpatsch> | I haven’t configured my xmonad to do that |
| 2024-12-16 22:04:49 | <Profpatsch> | currentWmSnOwner <- xGetSelectionOwner dpy wmSnAtom |
| 2024-12-16 22:04:50 | <Profpatsch> | when (currentWmSnOwner /= 0) $ do |
| 2024-12-16 22:04:54 | <Profpatsch> | I see, that’s only in `replace` |
| 2024-12-16 22:05:10 | <Profpatsch> | so if `launch` is called on its own it won’t register the handler |
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| 2024-12-17 01:52:30 | <Leary> | Profpatsch: Bit of an oversight. Layout type signatures are usually just big lumps of noise, so not many people actually write them. |
| 2024-12-17 01:56:09 | <geekosaur> | https://github.com/geekosaur/xmonad.hs/blob/hilfy-2023/xmonad.hs#L65 😛 |
| 2024-12-17 01:56:28 | <geekosaur> | (case in point) |
| 2024-12-17 01:57:44 | <geekosaur> | the type signature for a layout is usually bigger than the definition is |
| 2024-12-17 01:57:53 | <geekosaur> | and requires a bunch more imports |
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