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2024-07-13 00:12:18 <geekosaur> your configuration usually starts from `def` (the default value for `XConfig`), then replaces field values using record update syntax, then applies other modifications with e.g. `additionalKeysP :: XConfig -> [(String,X ())] -> XConfig`
2024-07-13 00:12:58 <geekosaur> then we use combinators to apply other things (ex. https://github.com/geekosaur/xmonad.hs/blob/hilfy-2023/xmonad.hs#L140-L141)
2024-07-13 00:13:44 <haskellbridge> <柱間 (@hashirama:hashi.sbs)> i was reading about what $ represents, and it's basically the "eval" of haskell (comparing it to lisp)
2024-07-13 00:13:48 <geekosaur> the keybinds list is usually long enough that we prefer it to come after the main config instead of before it
2024-07-13 00:13:55 <geekosaur> well, no
2024-07-13 00:14:19 <haskellbridge> <柱間 (@hashirama:hashi.sbs)> geekosaur: isnt?
2024-07-13 00:14:19 <haskellbridge> ... long message truncated: https://kf8nh.com/_matrix/media/v3/download/kf8nh.com/MArPkTCdXAGCdRKoVxYdoXgs (3 lines)
2024-07-13 00:14:23 <geekosaur> `f $ x` is the same as `f x`, but the precedence of `$` is very low so it kinda acts like backwards parentheses
2024-07-13 00:14:39 <haskellbridge> <柱間 (@hashirama:hashi.sbs)> geekosaur: oh
2024-07-13 00:15:04 <geekosaur> we also sometimes use it when we want application to be visible as an operator (thus, usually an operator secction)
2024-07-13 00:15:56 <geekosaur> > map ($ x) [sin,cos]
2024-07-13 00:15:57 <lambdabot> [sin x,cos x]
2024-07-13 00:16:22 <haskellbridge> <柱間 (@hashirama:hashi.sbs)> maybe the keybinding has no effect because the way that im declaring the workspaces is wrong
2024-07-13 00:16:25 <geekosaur> (that's also showing off th simple-reflect package)
2024-07-13 00:16:37 <haskellbridge> <柱間 (@hashirama:hashi.sbs)> https://paste.tomsmeding.com/4EWuKRFT
2024-07-13 00:17:04 <haskellbridge> <柱間 (@hashirama:hashi.sbs)> geekosaur: apply x into each element of the list, right?
2024-07-13 00:17:12 <geekosaur> also, lisp's "apply" applies a function to parameters specified as a list. There's no good way to do that in Haskell
2024-07-13 00:17:55 <geekosaur> especially if the parameters have different types, because all elements of a Haskell list must have the same type
2024-07-13 00:18:04 <haskellbridge> <柱間 (@hashirama:hashi.sbs)> geekosaur: haskell requires a different way of thinking then
2024-07-13 00:18:14 <geekosaur> yes
2024-07-13 00:19:10 <haskellbridge> <柱間 (@hashirama:hashi.sbs)> i wanted to ask something , i dont know if it's off topic , but it's haskell related
2024-07-13 00:19:28 <haskellbridge> <柱間 (@hashirama:hashi.sbs)> if haskell is a PF language, then if you "eval" something today, you wont get a different result in the future
2024-07-13 00:19:46 <haskellbridge> <柱間 (@hashirama:hashi.sbs)> thus, is it safe to assume that the programs we made today, will basically live on forever?
2024-07-13 00:20:05 <geekosaur> well, no, because other things change
2024-07-13 00:20:20 <geekosaur> the world inside the program only changes when in IO
2024-07-13 00:20:36 <haskellbridge> <柱間 (@hashirama:hashi.sbs)> ik, but we can control what gets in
2024-07-13 00:20:51 <geekosaur> running a previously compiled program may change because e.g. the running kernel doesn't support the system calls it makes any more
2024-07-13 00:21:23 <haskellbridge> <柱間 (@hashirama:hashi.sbs)> geekosaur: hmmmm, that'd take a few decades to reach this point
2024-07-13 00:22:08 <geekosaur> and trying to rebuild it may fail because the language has changed in the meantime (we're kinda poor at backward compatibility, sadly) and trying to use an older compiler may fail (I tried to install ghc 7.10 the other day and it SIGILLed on me)
2024-07-13 00:22:50 <haskellbridge> <柱間 (@hashirama:hashi.sbs)> oh
2024-07-13 00:22:52 <geekosaur> it was built for an older Ubuntu release; I'm not sure what they changed to cause that
2024-07-13 00:36:14 <haskellbridge> <柱間 (@hashirama:hashi.sbs)> geekosaur: this is what i was missing:
2024-07-13 00:36:14 <haskellbridge> https://github.com/geekosaur/xmonad.hs/blob/44b4c3678dbe3da159c1f88b9ea28df0e7ff36fc/xmonad.hs#L144
2024-07-13 00:38:10 <geekosaur> yes
2024-07-13 00:38:34 <geekosaur> I bound it separately so I could use it from multiple places (notably, from that keybinding)
2024-07-13 00:42:15 <haskellbridge> <柱間 (@hashirama:hashi.sbs)> weird, you didnt imported the stackset
2024-07-13 00:43:12 <haskellbridge> <柱間 (@hashirama:hashi.sbs)> here it gives a ambiguity error tho
2024-07-13 00:43:12 <haskellbridge> https://paste.tomsmeding.com/s3OHE4ag
2024-07-13 00:49:22 <geekosaur> imported here https://github.com/geekosaur/xmonad.hs/blob/hilfy-2023/xmonad.hs#L46
2024-07-13 00:50:20 <geekosaur> I think I don't get the ambiguity error because I imported it qualified, so the unqualified name always means the one imported from `XMonad`
2024-07-13 00:50:49 <geekosaur> you really want to import `XMonad.StackSet` qualified, because it clashes with not only that but a bunch of things from `Prelude` which is implicitly imported
2024-07-13 00:58:22 <geekosaur> collisions if you import it unqualified: workspaces, member, delete (I think), filter, modify, modify' (the latter two with MonadState from mtl or transformers)
2024-07-13 00:59:32 <geekosaur> by convention we always import XMonad.StackSet qualified as W, so code snippets using functions from it generally work for everyone
2024-07-13 01:48:52 <haskellbridge> <柱間 (@hashirama:hashi.sbs)> geekosaur: i did like this:
2024-07-13 01:48:52 <haskellbridge> import qualified XMonad.StackSet as W
2024-07-13 01:48:59 <haskellbridge> <柱間 (@hashirama:hashi.sbs)> geekosaur: yes
2024-07-13 01:49:45 <haskellbridge> <柱間 (@hashirama:hashi.sbs)> that's a really weird error then, i dont know why it says it's ambiguous
2024-07-13 01:50:19 <geekosaur> can you pastebin your entire xmonad.hs?
2024-07-13 01:50:25 <haskellbridge> <柱間 (@hashirama:hashi.sbs)> yes
2024-07-13 01:50:46 <haskellbridge> <柱間 (@hashirama:hashi.sbs)> https://paste.tomsmeding.com/yTgJ5Am0
2024-07-13 01:53:21 <geekosaur> you are importing XMonad.StackSet three times: once on line 28 (limited to RationalRect), once on line 39 unqualified (this is the one the error message is referencing), once on line 48 qualified
2024-07-13 01:55:29 <haskellbridge> <柱間 (@hashirama:hashi.sbs)> so i should import it once and import all from it?
2024-07-13 01:55:44 <geekosaur> it makes sense to keep the first, just remove the second
2024-07-13 01:56:12 <geekosaur> although you could look for your uses of RationalRect and qualify them with W, then you could get rid of the first one as well
2024-07-13 01:56:17 <geekosaur> that's up to you
2024-07-13 01:57:16 <haskellbridge> <柱間 (@hashirama:hashi.sbs)> i did this, kept the first
2024-07-13 01:57:16 <haskellbridge> but still it throws the same error, of a ambiguous reference
2024-07-13 01:57:29 <geekosaur> you removed line 39?
2024-07-13 01:58:15 <geekosaur> oh, you're also importing unqualified on line 9 "import XMonad.StackSet as W -- float purposes"
2024-07-13 01:58:25 <geekosaur> remove that too
2024-07-13 01:58:48 <geekosaur> it ws being shadowed by the import on line 39 and became active when you removed that
2024-07-13 02:00:04 <haskellbridge> <柱間 (@hashirama:hashi.sbs)> alright, so i removed all , and now im left with the qualified one
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2024-07-13 02:00:32 <haskellbridge> <柱間 (@hashirama:hashi.sbs)> ooohhh!!! it works now!
2024-07-13 02:00:50 <haskellbridge> <柱間 (@hashirama:hashi.sbs)> thanks you very much
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2024-07-13 19:15:11 <haskellbridge> <柱間 (@hashirama:hashi.sbs)> what can be considered "basic haskell" ?

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