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| 2023-10-22 10:33:41 | <haskellbridge> | <Tranquil Ity> Where is this room bridged to? |
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| 2023-10-22 11:33:07 | <liskin> | #xmonad at irc.libera.chat |
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| 2023-10-22 12:48:38 | <xmonadtrack> | New xmonad-contrib branch created: pull/837 (1 commit) https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad-contrib/pull/837 |
| 2023-10-22 12:49:13 | <haskellbridge> | <Tranquil Ity> Ah, is that IRC channel the main comms place? |
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| 2023-10-22 13:50:28 | <haskellbridge> | <Solid> At least most maintainers seem to prefer IRC over matrix |
| 2023-10-22 13:50:41 | <haskellbridge> | <Solid> but since the channels are bridged it does not matter much, I think |
| 2023-10-22 14:20:34 | <liskin> | It degrades the experience somewhat now that it's not a puppeting bridge, so tab completion and coloring of nicks doesn't work for those on the other side, but information flows both ways |
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| 2023-10-22 15:24:23 | <haskellbridge> | <Tranquil Ity> Why is it not a puppeting bridge? Personally I'd connect over IRC if it was on smth decent like oftc.net, instead of libera.chat |
| 2023-10-22 15:38:44 | <geekosaur> | because that would require me to be able to run a Matrix homeserver accessible over the Internet |
| 2023-10-22 15:39:13 | <geekosaur> | the whole building I'm in is behind a firewall and they won't open holes in it for tenants |
| 2023-10-22 15:39:32 | <haskellbridge> | <Tranquil Ity> Ah, is a VPS proxy out of the question? |
| 2023-10-22 15:39:40 | <geekosaur> | currently yes |
| 2023-10-22 15:39:49 | <haskellbridge> | <Tranquil Ity> (They cost around $5 per month) |
| 2023-10-22 15:39:50 | <haskellbridge> | <Tranquil Ity> Ah |
| 2023-10-22 15:40:15 | <geekosaur> | really we're hoping the EMS bridge will come back at some point |
| 2023-10-22 15:40:36 | <haskellbridge> | <Tranquil Ity> EMS? |
| 2023-10-22 15:41:02 | <geekosaur> | Element Matrix Services, who ran the old bridge |
| 2023-10-22 15:41:39 | <haskellbridge> | <Tranquil Ity> Ah |
| 2023-10-22 15:41:50 | <geekosaur> | Libera staffers asked them to shut it down at the end of July because of security and privacy issues that needed to be fixed |
| 2023-10-22 15:42:33 | <haskellbridge> | <Tranquil Ity> What's the reason libera is in use, as opposed to more accessible and privacy friendly servers? |
| 2023-10-22 15:43:29 | <geekosaur> | also there's more than just the VPS involved in setting that up, I would have to negotiate with both Libera and Matrix staff to get higher limits on e.g. identities per IP address so puppeting would work |
| 2023-10-22 15:43:44 | <geekosaur> | and Matrix isn't real responsive right now |
| 2023-10-22 15:44:03 | <haskellbridge> | <Tranquil Ity> Wait, why would you need to discuss things with Matrix staff? |
| 2023-10-22 15:44:44 | <geekosaur> | rate limiting, limits on Matrix IDs per address |
| 2023-10-22 15:45:02 | <haskellbridge> | <Tranquil Ity> I don't follow, what imposes those limits? |
| 2023-10-22 15:45:25 | <geekosaur> | they limit these things so a rogue server can't take down all of Matrix by spamming homeservers |
| 2023-10-22 15:45:50 | <haskellbridge> | <Tranquil Ity> I am not aware of a limiting mechanism implemented in Matrix that the Matrix staff has access to |
| 2023-10-22 15:46:18 | <haskellbridge> | <Tranquil Ity> Is it maybe a matrix.org issue? |
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| 2023-10-22 15:52:39 | <geekosaur> | oh, hm, I'm looking at the matterbridge docs and it doesn't support this for matrix anyway |
| 2023-10-22 15:52:51 | <geekosaur> | must have been one of the other bridges that supported being an appserver |
| 2023-10-22 15:56:28 | <haskellbridge> | <Tranquil Ity> Ah |
| 2023-10-22 15:56:29 | <haskellbridge> | <Tranquil Ity> It might've been a matrix.org issue, as matrix.org is known for being uncooperative with the rest of the userbase |
| 2023-10-22 15:57:13 | <geekosaur> | I presume it is matrix.org, I can say for certain matterbridge periodically complains that it is being rate-limited |
| 2023-10-22 15:57:46 | <geekosaur> | (I'm bridging 5 channels currently) |
| 2023-10-22 15:58:26 | <geekosaur> | would apparently have to switch to heisenbridge to get appserver and puppeting functionality |
| 2023-10-22 15:58:50 | <geekosaur> | I really hope to be out of this business by that point 🙂 running all of this on my little laptop |
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| 2023-10-22 18:30:20 | <haskellbridge> | <Tranquil Ity> Oh man, that sounds horrible |
| 2023-10-22 18:30:21 | <haskellbridge> | <Tranquil Ity> I host quite a few servers as I have the hardware for it, I could see if I can get a matrix <-> IRC puppet bridge as a service set up (though I would be unable to test on libera.chat as it doesn't allow me to connect with my regular IRC setup) that could be utilized here (would be a good way to test it) so that your poor laptop doesn't have to suffer anymore :D |
| 2023-10-22 18:30:22 | <haskellbridge> | <Tranquil Ity> The main reason I joined here was to ask about https://discourse.haskell.org/t/xmonad-for-wayland-call-for-help/7812 . Personally, I have experience with X11 development and low-level Linux stuff, and have a basic idea of how to make a wayland compositor. I would be interested in hearing about the details. I do not use XMonad personally, as I didn't have time to give it a |
| 2023-10-22 18:30:22 | <haskellbridge> | proper <clipped message> |
| 2023-10-22 18:30:23 | <haskellbridge> | <Tranquil Ity> go, but I am a big fan of Haskell. I am unsure if I'd be helpful, but working on a WL compositor written and extensible by Haskell would be a really fun project for me, as it seems like the best way to explore the combo of Haskell + configurable WL compositor. |
| 2023-10-22 18:31:58 | <geekosaur> | we'd actually expect that bindings to something like wlroots would be used; writing a whole compositor in Haskell seems like an even bigger job |
| 2023-10-22 18:38:56 | <haskellbridge> | <galactic_starfish> Frankly, this is the thing we need! Not necessarily an entire compositor in haskell... Though that would be cool... But I'm starting to get nervous about using XMonad as my daily driver given all the wayland goodness I'm seeing out there, and applications are starting to move too... |
| 2023-10-22 18:42:33 | <haskellbridge> | <Tranquil Ity> I'd be happy to try! I think I would write low level modules in C, Rust, Zig or C++, and use Haskell to bind them together |
| 2023-10-22 18:42:34 | <haskellbridge> | <Tranquil Ity> I am unsure about the exact architecture that should be used. I really like an architecture of what I call "polytilers", aka nested layouts with containers. I think there's an Xmonad module to do that, but I am not sure how the Xmonad architecture works. |
| 2023-10-22 18:42:35 | <haskellbridge> | <Tranquil Ity> Since it would have to be a WL compositor, it would also need to include graphics configurations, such as shadow rendering, or blurring. I really, *REALLY* wanna write SPIR-V shaders (gonna use Vulkan for the renderer) in Haskell, though I do not know the compiler basically at all, so I have no clue how to approach that. |
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| 2023-10-22 19:14:27 | <liskin> | I'd actually prefer if the compositor part of things was Rust or Zig, and Haskell (its runtime) wasn't involved at all |
| 2023-10-22 19:15:16 | <liskin> | what's wrong with libera btw? that's where most people went when freenode went under, so we didn't even consider moving anywhere else |
| 2023-10-22 19:15:40 | <geekosaur> | the cool kids use discord |
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| 2023-10-22 19:16:47 | <liskin> | does that make me a cool kid? |
| 2023-10-22 19:19:54 | <haskellbridge> | <Tranquil Ity> Not sure I follow what do you mean by the compositor part, do you mean that Haskell should be used for config only, and the rest of the application should be written in smth else? |
| 2023-10-22 19:19:55 | <haskellbridge> | <Tranquil Ity> I am unable to connect to libera as they block Tor, which I use for IRC |
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