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| 2023-05-07 00:30:14 | <geekosaur> | albatross, why were you trying to restart it? |
| 2023-05-07 00:30:44 | <geekosaur> | if you make chyanges to your config and you want them to take effect, you press (by default) mod-q. |
| 2023-05-07 00:31:10 | <albatross> | I wasn't in X to do that |
| 2023-05-07 00:31:33 | <geekosaur> | `xmonad --restart` is only half of that, and it restarts the existing configuration without rebuilding it. you need `xmonad --recompile` to do that part |
| 2023-05-07 00:32:07 | <albatross> | neither command worked, gave an error message like "user error (openDisplay)" |
| 2023-05-07 00:32:18 | <geekosaur> | also `xmonad --recompile` and `xmonad --restart` need to be run within X because thjey send X messages |
| 2023-05-07 00:32:40 | <albatross> | X was still running, I just wasn't in X |
| 2023-05-07 00:32:41 | <geekosaur> | well, recompile should work but restart won't be able to connect to the X server |
| 2023-05-07 00:33:01 | <albatross> | like I could use vtty |
| 2023-05-07 00:33:07 | <geekosaur> | but because you weren't in X, restart couldn't connect to it |
| 2023-05-07 00:35:17 | <albatross> | surely those commands have no one to distinguish being run from a vtty or an xterminal? so long as there is an x server running they would work, I would think |
| 2023-05-07 00:35:29 | <geekosaur> | and even if it somehow managed to authorize with the X server from outside, it still wouldn't have done anything noticeable unless you had changed your config and rebuilt it with `xmonad --recompile` |
| 2023-05-07 00:36:40 | <geekosaur> | X used to work that way. it meant anyone who could get into your syste,m from a network connection could do things like sniff passwords. X is insecure enough as it is |
| 2023-05-07 00:36:42 | <albatross> | or does xterm set up some env variables with information about the x server that is missing from a virtual console |
| 2023-05-07 00:37:22 | <albatross> | hmmm so is there some way for me to cleanly restart xmonad from command line then? |
| 2023-05-07 00:37:33 | <albatross> | if I'm stuck in a virtual console |
| 2023-05-07 00:38:25 | <albatross> | or somehow get back to X. It is academic at this point anyhow |
| 2023-05-07 00:39:27 | <geekosaur> | you need to find out where the Xauth tickets are stored and point to them with the XAUTHORITY environment variable. sometimes it's stored in ~/.Xauthority and things will work fairly easily, but sometimes they're hidden away by the display manager |
| 2023-05-07 00:40:12 | <albatross> | I see. That doesn't sound any more secure haha. Good to know for next time I guess... |
| 2023-05-07 00:40:55 | <geekosaur> | the default isn't, but display managers as I said can hide them away better |
| 2023-05-07 00:41:11 | <geekosaur> | I'm not sure why more of them don't |
| 2023-05-07 00:41:52 | <geekosaur> | it was a much simpler world in 1986 when this stuff was designed |
| 2023-05-07 00:42:16 | <albatross> | I feel like if someone other than me can log in to my system I have bigger issues, really. |
| 2023-05-07 00:42:56 | <geekosaur> | you mostly do, yes. but this doesn't require full log in to exploit, sadly |
| 2023-05-07 00:43:55 | <albatross> | ok well I won't pretend to understand the majesties of X internals haha |
| 2023-05-07 00:44:41 | <immibis> | albatross: is the $DISPLAY environment variable set? |
| 2023-05-07 00:44:53 | <immibis> | on most/all distributions, just set: export DISPLAY=:0 |
| 2023-05-07 00:45:05 | <immibis> | and then your X-related commands know which X server to connect to |
| 2023-05-07 00:45:16 | <albatross> | I can't go back in time to check but I'll keep that in mind for future |
| 2023-05-07 00:45:23 | <immibis> | that's for your typical case. on weird or multi-user systems it might not be :0 |
| 2023-05-07 00:45:54 | <immibis> | xauth is usually stored in a place that's accessible to any process in your user account, so it's not an issue, but there is also a way to transfer it to other user accounts if you need that |
| 2023-05-07 00:46:16 | <immibis> | but DISPLAY is (more-or-less) specific to the terminal |
| 2023-05-07 00:59:40 | <geekosaur> | it does go a little beyond that; AIUI Fedora uses cgroups to limit access to the session |
| 2023-05-07 01:00:06 | <geekosaur> | (Debian/Ubuntu/Mint use an older version of cgroups and systemd isn't configured to make use of it anyway) |
| 2023-05-07 01:00:41 | <geekosaur> | liskin knows more about this, I believe he's got his system set up to use systemd for session control |
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| 2023-05-07 11:01:31 | <liskin> | Debian definitely uses cgroupsv2 these days |
| 2023-05-07 11:01:39 | <liskin> | And so does its systemd build |
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| 2023-05-08 05:37:25 | <Solid[m]> | geekosaur yeah sorry I've been super swamped with work lately (preparing conference talks for this summer…) |
| 2023-05-08 05:37:40 | <Solid[m]> | (and as liskin correctly said I couldn't have approve the expense anyways) |
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| 2023-05-08 07:10:40 | <geekosaur> | you can now. (I think having the only two people able to approve them being the two most likely to be offline is not so hot) |
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| 2023-05-08 07:23:18 | <geekosaur[m]> | hm, bridge is being very slow again. anyway, you are now 😄 (bad news if the only two in a position to approve are the ones most likely to be offline) |
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