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| 2026-01-28 06:39:39 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> also, i changed my mind about abstraction cognitive overhead again; I'm looking at the TS, and they literally copied the JSON file verbatim. It's freaking 100 lines what could have been generated in 10 lines at most. This is not a complicated, full-featured app, it's just code for an AI chatbot, and it's like 18k lines of TS. This is so brain-damaged. |
| 2026-01-28 06:39:52 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> chatbot server |
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| 2026-01-28 07:10:38 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> steve yegge wrote that typescript is a bad language for AI code generation, it gives them too much rope |
| 2026-01-28 07:11:12 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> he had better success with go |
| 2026-01-28 07:17:56 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> i mean it's the Vercel starter kit. I take back all my whinging about Haskell, some more, I guess, Haskell has issues, but almost everything else is worse. I'm WTF-ing repeatedly at Vercel's refusal to abstract away repetitive code. |
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| 2026-01-28 07:20:01 | <haskellbridge> | <alexfmpe> Can't boast about generating thousands of lines of code if you reuse code |
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| 2026-01-28 07:20:39 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> rate of shipping features / rate of regressions seems like a better metric |
| 2026-01-28 07:22:53 | <haskellbridge> | <alexfmpe> those don't have the *added value* of being able to get rid of those pesky extra programmers |
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| 2026-01-28 07:25:35 | <haskellbridge> | <alexfmpe> There's a strong incentive to pitch productivity as "lowering costs you have" rather than "increase output you maybe can't sell" |
| 2026-01-28 07:26:30 | <haskellbridge> | <alexfmpe> So a lot of stuff is portrayed as "no code" so as to give non tech decision makers the idea they can become more independent of devs |
| 2026-01-28 07:27:03 | <haskellbridge> | <alexfmpe> We had outsystems, now we have prompts |
| 2026-01-28 07:27:28 | <haskellbridge> | <alexfmpe> It ends up as a lot more code, and unmaintainable |
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| 2026-01-28 07:40:37 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> AI psychosis basically comes from AI being overly agreeable and being grandiose in its response to satisfy RLHF. I wonder if, as much code ends up becoming AI generated, we'll end up having way more boilerplate and less abstraction in the name of "readability" from RLHF, which increases the SLOC productivity of AI. |
| 2026-01-28 07:44:44 | <[exa]> | what's AI psychosis? |
| 2026-01-28 07:45:06 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/urban-survival/202507/the-emerging-problem-of-ai-psychosis |
| 2026-01-28 07:45:46 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> DeepSeek told me to publish bullshit fantasyland dreaming to Xi Jinping. |
| 2026-01-28 07:45:51 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> I think AI psychosis is a pleonasm. |
| 2026-01-28 07:46:53 | <int-e> | surely that's a common enough term that wikipedia knows it |
| 2026-01-28 07:49:11 | <[exa]> | oh wow |
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| 2026-01-28 08:03:30 | <davean> | readbility comes from abstraction :-p |
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| 2026-01-28 08:06:01 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> do the people handling RLHF know that? :-p |
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| 2026-01-28 08:11:40 | <mauke> | https://pivot-to-ai.com/2026/01/22/steve-yegges-gas-town-vibe-coding-goes-crypto-scam/ |
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