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| 2025-09-03 04:58:04 | <sm> | re matrix decentralisation.. I found you can easily sign up with a different matrix homeserver at http://joinmatrix.org , but you can't join a room that was created on matrix.org, unless (presumably) someone on the alternate server had previously joined it and caused it to be mirrored |
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| 2025-09-03 05:17:15 | <sm> | even then, it tends not to work. True decentralisation is hard. |
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| 2025-09-03 06:14:55 | <probie> | sm: Is it? Email seems to work pretty reliably |
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| 2025-09-03 06:31:46 | <sm> | of real-time chat, I meant. Yes email works pretty well |
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| 2025-09-03 06:43:15 | <haskellbridge> | <magic_rb> Email is completely different from matrix, nothing in common except that both allow humans to exchange text |
| 2025-09-03 06:45:09 | <sm> | FWIW, here's how to join a matrix room when its homeserver is down - if OTHERSERVER has it synced: https://matrix.to/#/!ROOMID?via=OTHERSERVER |
| 2025-09-03 06:45:29 | <sm> | Eg https://matrix.to/#/!hskonBonfjiIefqLUV:matrix.org?via=envs.net for the Haskell room via envs.net homeserver |
| 2025-09-03 06:48:57 | <haskellbridge> | <magic_rb> Yeah you can join via another HS and it should eventually catch with m.org when it goes up again. Thats the beauty of decentralized services. Matrix is far from perfect but i dont see anyone with anything better |
| 2025-09-03 06:48:59 | <haskellbridge> | <magic_rb> +up |
| 2025-09-03 06:50:27 | <sm> | it was pretty hard to find this out, matrix clients can improve |
| 2025-09-03 06:51:24 | <sm> | if clients handled it better, it would feel pretty much like an IRC net split |
| 2025-09-03 06:53:08 | <sm> | rather than a total outage |
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| 2025-09-03 06:59:05 | <haskellbridge> | <magic_rb> I do think that most complaints about matrix are actually the clients fault. Yes split brains do happen, spam is a problem. But the most glaring user facing issues are shitty clients |
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| 2025-09-03 07:01:18 | <sm> | I agree they could provide much better UX in many cases. Even if it's just "current matrix protocol doesn't allow this to work; info: URL, for now do: X |
| 2025-09-03 07:02:25 | <haskellbridge> | <magic_rb> Mhm, were in the realm of the general free software UI/UX problem. Not many UX/UI people around |
| 2025-09-03 07:02:35 | <sm> | probably the high cost of updating and shipping a popular client makes it hard to be agile and detailed |
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| 2025-09-03 07:03:11 | <sm> | even for a TUI client, I think the cost is super high |
| 2025-09-03 07:03:50 | <haskellbridge> | <magic_rb> brick tui matrix client when |
| 2025-09-03 07:04:30 | <sm> | glguy has one maybe ? I forget |
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| 2025-09-03 07:07:42 | <sm> | messaging clients are a bit like web browsers these days, they are expected to do a LOT |
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